Participants: Chris Shelton (Host), Kenneth Shelton
Series Code: BTLP
Program Code: BTLP000068
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00:42 Hello, and welcome to Behold the Lamb Presents.
00:44 I'm Chris Shelton your host and I just want to thank you 00:46 for taking this time to study God's word with us today. 00:50 Today's message is actually 00:52 the second in a three part series 00:54 that we have simply entitled, Women's Ordination. 00:59 Recently I had the pleasure speaking with a listener 01:01 from Georgia who is very concerned about the-- 01:04 the debates that are currently going on in our church 01:07 dealing with this very issue. 01:09 One thing that this listener made very clear to me 01:13 is that there has always been hierarchy 01:16 in God's kingdom above as well as 01:19 how He has established his kingdom here below. 01:22 We can read about the position of cherubim 01:24 and seraphim and the archangel in scripture 01:27 and which position Lucifer himself held before his fall. 01:32 And how that there are to be elders and deacons, 01:35 teachers and so on in our churches today 01:38 but in no way does once hierarchical position 01:41 change our equality of love with God. 01:45 God is not a respecter of persons the Bible says 01:48 and I believe that this is a key element 01:51 to remember during this time of study. 01:54 Many women over the ages have been called of God 01:57 to be used in His service. 01:59 Many have been instruments in winning souls 02:02 for the kingdom of heaven and many women 02:05 have lost their very life for standing firm 02:08 in the truth of God's words. 02:11 I want you to listen to this quote about ministry, 02:13 it's found in Manuscript Releases 18, page 380 02:19 and it was written by Ellen white. 02:22 "Sunday March 15, 1891, 02:25 I attended the ministers' meeting. 02:27 The blessing of the Lord came upon me, 02:29 and I spoke with the demonstration 02:31 of the Holy Spirit of God and with power. 02:35 There are those who are working out a great circle. 02:38 The Lord has given Christ to the world for ministry. 02:42 Merely to preach the Word is not ministry. 02:45 The Lord desires His ministering servants 02:48 to occupy a place worthy of the highest consideration. 02:52 In the mind of God, the ministry of men and women 02:57 existed before the world was created. 02:59 He determined that His ministers 03:02 should have a perfect exemplification 03:04 of Himself and His purposes. 03:07 No human career could do this work 03:10 for God gave Christ in humanity to work out His ideal 03:15 of what humanity may become through entire obedience 03:19 to His will and His way. 03:22 God's character was revealed in the life of His Son. 03:25 Christ not only held a theory of genuine ministry, 03:29 but in His humanity He wrought out an illustration 03:33 of the ministry that God approves. 03:36 Perfection has marked out every feature of true ministry. 03:41 Christ, the Son of the living God, 03:43 did not live unto Himself, but unto God." 03:47 Friends, let us therefore both men and women 03:52 strive to pattern our calling after Christ's example. 03:56 So stay tuned with us today as Pastor Kenny Shelton 04:00 brings us part two of Women's Ordination. 04:04 But first we are so blessed to listen to a song 04:07 that is entitled "Oh How He Loves You And Me" 04:11 with Lyndon Carriger from the 3ABN worship centre. 04:32 Oh, how He loves you and me 04:40 Oh, how He loves you and me 04:49 He gave His life 04:52 What more could He give 04:58 Oh, how He loves you 05:02 Oh, how He loves me 05:06 Oh, how He loves you and me 05:14 Jesus to Calvary did go 05:23 His love for mankind to show 05:31 What He did there 05:35 brought hope from despair 05:40 Oh, how He loves you 05:45 Oh, how He loves me 05:49 Oh, how He loves you and me 06:01 Oh, how He loves you and me 06:09 Oh, how He loves you and me 06:17 He gave His life 06:21 what more could He give 06:28 Oh, how He loves you 06:33 Oh, how He loves me 06:37 Oh, how He loves you 06:42 Oh, how He loves me 06:46 Oh, how He loves you and me 07:13 Thanks for joining us again here Behold the Lamb, 07:16 most import subject for today. 07:18 We're talking about Women's Ordination. 07:21 Quite a stir in the advent moment whether we should, 07:24 whether we shouldn't, is it right, 07:27 does it really make a difference? 07:28 Sure it makes a different. 07:29 Everything that we do in the cause of Christ 07:31 makes a difference. 07:32 And where we are going to get our information? 07:33 Certainly from the Word of God. 07:35 It's not gonna be I think, I feel 07:37 or so and so has been training and educated for this that-- 07:41 what does God's word have to say 07:42 that's what we are gonna get into. 07:43 This is part two, if you miss part one 07:46 you want to make sure you get that. 07:48 Remember part one, two and three, 07:50 they build on each other 07:52 and you need them to put together. 07:53 But before that we get into our subject let's -- 07:56 let's pray together shall we and I again appreciate 07:58 those of you who can kneel and pray with me 08:00 where you can. 08:01 Let's kneel right now 08:02 and asks God's blessing, shall we? 08:05 Merciful Father in heaven, 08:06 we thank You for the privilege of prayer. 08:08 Now we ask for Your Holy Spirit 08:09 to take possession of our hearts, our minds, 08:12 our soul, forgive me my sins 08:14 and mistakes anything that would separate me 08:16 from hearing Your voice right now. 08:18 Open the mind, ears, the hearts of Your people 08:20 everywhere may we see Jesus today. 08:23 May we see this beautiful truth 08:25 that You have for us regardless of our possession 08:28 that we may have had before let's look at God's words, 08:31 let's weigh the evidence 08:33 and let's get have one mind, mind of Christ. 08:35 We thank You for hearing 08:36 and answering prayer in Jesus name, amen. 08:40 Again we are very thankful that you join us, 08:43 you know from program to program 08:45 and many of you are sitting down 08:46 taking lot of notes and your calling us 08:48 and emailing and you're ordering these DVD's 08:51 and you know whatever, so you could study at home. 08:54 Many people are taking these 08:56 and they are coping down word for word 08:59 how interesting that is, 09:00 so they can get the truth of God's word. 09:03 Let's just start with this, this is part two 09:05 and something that we talked about on our first part, 09:07 we would do rather quickly here. 09:09 We're talking about remember, 09:10 above all that's going on we're talking about true unity 09:14 and true harmony in the cause of Christ. 09:16 In the church comes about 09:19 because we agree on and in truth. 09:23 Did you get that? 09:24 Unity, unity, unity we talk about and we need it 09:27 but it only comes about 09:28 by as we agree on and in the truth. 09:32 Now, let's say this, the issue of women's ordination 09:36 raises a lot of questions 09:37 and I think we need to answer those questions 09:39 and they need to be what? 09:40 Not I feel like I think should be based upon God's word. 09:43 This we know-- wake up, 09:45 this we know for sure that-- this is the foundation 09:48 we're gonna have to build on 09:49 this we know, there was never any record. 09:51 There is no record at all of any women 09:54 being ordination as elder or pastor in the New Testament. 09:58 No record of that. 09:59 Two, the Old Testament women were not ordained as priest. 10:04 Now, number three, 10:06 Jesus did not appoint a single woman to be an apostle. 10:11 Even though they were present and played important role. 10:15 Number four, when one replacement was necessary 10:18 you'll remember the story in Apostle Acts Chapter 1 10:21 we remember that with women present 10:24 Jesus still what, a male was chosen. 10:27 Number five, Paul his letters to Timothy 10:30 and to Titus contains information 10:33 that only men may hold the offers 10:36 of an elder or a pastor. 10:38 Now keep that in mind, I'm gonna read this quickly 10:41 we will talk more about it little bit later on. 10:43 1 Timothy 2:12, 10:44 have your Bible make sure you turn there. 10:46 Paul said this oh, I have heard so many excuses and so many oh, 10:52 this is what he mean, this is what. 10:54 Listen Paul said exactly what he meant. 10:57 This is interesting now, 10:58 you think that's little difficult 10:59 we will explain this little bit later on. 11:01 But boy, this is pretty difficult 11:03 for some people to swallow. 11:05 Notice what-- this is how it reads here 11:07 1 Timothy 2:12 Paul speaking said, 11:11 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to" what? 11:16 "Have authority over the man, but to be in silence." 11:23 Then he gives two arguments why, 11:26 and the good argument is number one he says, 11:28 then he gives these two number one 11:29 "Adam was first formed and then Eve." 11:32 And in verse 14, his second point he says, 11:35 "And Adam was not deceived, 11:38 but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 11:42 Now, remember that's pretty powerful 11:43 its gonna turn some people off 11:45 to begin with not trying to do that at all 11:47 but the Apostle Paul said this, 11:50 he said these words now must be explained 11:52 and in the context of what he is talking about. 11:55 I think we also consider this point here 11:58 this is from the Acts of Apostle page 91 12:01 talking about the organization 12:03 of "The church at Jerusalem was to serve as a model". 12:07 Now what was to serve as a model? 12:09 The church in Jerusalem. 12:11 A model means simply a blueprint, 12:13 an example it means a copy 12:16 "for the organization of all churches 12:19 in every place where messengers 12:22 of truth should win converts to the gospel." 12:25 That did-- that not just mean just in 12:27 but it means what? 12:28 It means, even today it's an example. 12:31 Now, listen we understand and I think most of us 12:34 as we study the issue we understand the church. 12:38 Now, I remember some will jump up and scream 12:39 before I finish but let me finish with this. 12:42 The church as a legislative body 12:46 cannot make doctrines and teachings and policy. 12:52 You said, oh, they do? Yes. 12:54 Listen, but hit head on with the teachings 12:58 that Christ has already spoken off in scripture. Why? 13:02 Because He doesn't change truth doesn't change. 13:05 So, we can't make any-- 13:06 we can't get a group of people together and say 13:08 well I know what scripture says 13:09 but in our church we decided move together 13:12 and we are gonna do it this way. 13:14 No, you can't do it that way. 13:15 We can't ever do that Jesus appointed the 12. 13:18 You remember the 12 in Matthew Chapter 10. 13:22 It says He sent them out and he ordained them. 13:26 He commissioned them, 13:27 He empowered them the Bible says, interesting. 13:32 They were giving the teachings, notice when they went out 13:36 they were giving the teachings of the Old Testament. 13:39 Wow, not certainly combined with new but -- 13:41 notice they were teachings 13:43 the Old Testament to be carried out. 13:45 They were studying and preaching and teaching, 13:47 they were carried out in the New Testament church. 13:50 They were written by the apostles 13:52 and it certainly carried on a little bit later on. 13:55 Interesting, he gave the elders 13:57 and the pastors of the flock spiritual authority. 14:01 Who did he give spiritual authority to? 14:03 The elders and the pastors of the flock. 14:05 He gave them the authority, 14:06 grounded and rooted in Jesus Christ. 14:10 Please take note we'll talk about it more 14:12 as time permits here, but remember 14:14 the New Testament church the apostles what? 14:16 Reach back into the Old Testament 14:18 of how it was set up then 14:19 and brought that from no Old Testament 14:21 into the New Testament, interesting. 14:25 Now, do you remember 14:26 when Moses was counseled by Jethro, 14:28 do you remember when he needed some help 14:30 a plan to distribute some of his responsibilities. 14:34 Sure, you do, you read that in Exodus Chapter 18 14:38 and in Exodus Chapter 18 Moses notices what he did. 14:42 "Moses chose able bodied men out of Israel 14:45 and made them heads over the people." 14:48 Notice that word he made heads over people. 14:51 Moses made them leaders, leaders or heads in charge. 14:57 They were put in positions of headship. 15:00 Now, you say boy, 15:02 there could be more on that too as we go along. 15:04 Then later Moses chose 70, remember, 70 elders 15:07 to show you know, that responsibility. 15:12 Acts of the Apostles page 94 gives us comment notice. 15:16 "Moses was careful to select, as his helpers," notice this, 15:20 "men possessing dignity, sound judgment, and experience. 15:26 And In his charge to these elders 15:28 at the time of their ordination, 15:31 he outlined some of the qualifications 15:34 that fit a man to be a wise ruler in the church." 15:39 These will fit if you don't just start 15:40 crossing them all of one at a time. 15:42 We weigh them out. 15:44 Now, notice in Numbers 11:16, 17 15:48 it says "And the Lord said unto Moses," 15:50 here is what the Lord said. 15:51 Moses look I want you to "gather me" 15:53 you remember this? 15:54 "Seventy men of the elders of Israel," 15:59 now, notice "whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people" 16:03 and God said in verse 17 16:05 "and I will take the spirit" listen to this 16:08 "which is upon thee and I will put it in them." 16:11 Oh, what a spirit think about that. 16:13 I will take the spirit I have given you Moses 16:15 and I'm going to put it on these, these leaders. 16:18 God would ordain these men with His spirit. 16:23 And remember God the ordination of God 16:24 is more important than any man can put on you. 16:26 Are you still with me? 16:28 Notice Acts of the Apostles page 95, 16:30 now don't miss this, 16:32 I know we do some reading here but don't miss this. 16:35 "The same principle" is talking about here 16:37 of "principles of piety" or the spirit 16:40 "and justice that were to guide the rulers 16:43 among God's people in the time of Moses and of David, 16:48 were also to be followed by those given the oversight 16:53 of the newly organized church of God 16:56 in the gospel dispensation." 16:58 Did somebody get that? 17:01 No, you find it, please don't find it. 17:05 The same rules you're talking about the principles of piety 17:08 and justice of the sprit leading and guiding 17:10 you say well, that's not quite clear 17:12 it gonna get little clear as I read on. 17:14 Now, notice right here, they are using what, 17:16 the same principles of the Old Testament 17:18 are to be used in the gospel dispensation. 17:21 "In the work of setting things in order in all the churches," 17:26 and notice "and ordaining suitable men 17:30 to act as officers, the apostles held 17:33 to the high standards of leadership outlined 17:37 in the Old Testament Scripture." 17:39 The apostles in the New Testament 17:41 held high authority of what? 17:43 That which was ordained in the Old Testament 17:45 and they put it, they said okay, 17:46 we are gonna bring that over 17:48 well, God said that in the Old Testament 17:50 into the New Testament. 17:52 Now, of course if you want to read 17:53 and you can do that in Titus 1:7-9 17:56 those two verses there are very, very important here, 17:58 it's a important point. 18:00 And it will give you a little background 18:01 quickly verse 5 and 6 they were to it says, 18:04 they were to ordain elders in every city. 18:07 Now, remember we are talking about ordination, 18:09 we are talking about elders. 18:11 There are some people in the church today 18:12 who doesn't make any difference. 18:13 You got women elders and some are ordained, 18:15 some of them are not. 18:16 Is it biblical or its not? It's either okay or its not. 18:20 And if it's okay with God its okay with me. 18:22 If it's not okay with God and God's word 18:24 then it's not okay with me. 18:25 And somebody needs to what, blow a little horn, okay, 18:29 Titus 1:7-9 these two verses remember ordaining 18:32 elders in every city and there were, 18:35 notice this in verse 6 It says, 18:37 "they were to ordain the husband of one wife." 18:44 Hello, they were to ordain the husband of one wife 18:48 so you must be a husband. 18:51 Interesting and if you read verses 7 through 9 18:54 and I wish we had time to do that I have in my Bible 18:57 but time is getting by quickly right here. 18:59 You will see the qualification of an elder 19:02 or you take a bishop or in a pastor. 19:04 You see the qualification, 19:06 remember if you don't fit the qualification 19:08 you cannot be one. 19:10 Man might say you can be but God-- God says you can't. 19:14 Is that makes sense? 19:16 So the qualification are given here 19:18 you can read those qualification. 19:20 And it simply says this what? 19:21 They must be men, they must be a husband. 19:26 Oh, I could say an awful lot 19:27 and I'm just biting my tongue right now, 19:29 I'm telling right now I'm fighting it brother, 19:31 I'm just fighting sister, on this, 19:32 right now, because -- I know some people are saying 19:35 oh, yeah, here is the qualification 19:37 that being an elder they must be a man. 19:40 They must be the husband. 19:42 Now, some of you say, yeah, 19:43 but you know some of those words they will say, 19:45 "Paul here in these verses uses the term "anar" 19:49 and when he does this anar 19:50 which is a term that someone capable of being a husband 19:56 that rules a lot of you out then. 19:59 That means that it's a male person distinct from a woman. 20:05 See the Bible is pretty if we want look at remember 20:08 man and women may both be set apart, 20:12 they can lay on hands and pray 20:13 and be involved in the work of Christ 20:15 to perform certain functions. 20:18 This is important now, I'm going to read this quote 20:21 from the Adventist Review, July 9th, 1895. 20:25 This has been some people have used this to say you may, 20:29 we may ordain women as elders and pastors. 20:32 Oh, my they brutalized it. 20:35 I'm gonna explain why, I read it first. 20:37 It says, "Women who are willing to consecrate" 20:41 notice this consecrated. 20:43 Consecrate some of their time 20:45 "Women who want to consecrate some of their time 20:48 to the service of the God 20:51 should be appointed to visit the sick, 20:55 look after the young, 20:57 and minister to the necessities of the poor." 21:01 Now, notice this, 21:02 and "In some cases they will need to counsel 21:07 with the church officers and the minister." 21:11 Interesting its talking about a ministry here 21:14 so there is three points we need to look at. 21:16 So we say, well, well there can be a ministry. 21:18 Well, yes, we are talking about ordination 21:20 you are not ministering or having 21:22 you know some work in the church 21:24 which is a ministry. 21:25 But notice this here, 21:27 we are talking about a part time position here 21:30 not the full time of an elder or a pastor of the church 21:33 so that would rule that out. 21:36 It's not the work of the-- they are talking about the work 21:39 necessarily of the minister or the church officer. 21:42 Number three, the work that they were talking 21:45 about the women here it was different 21:46 than what they were ordinarily doing. 21:49 So its like we come to church we have different job 21:51 but we are involved in may be ministry 21:52 doing something after you know church 21:54 or what ever it might be. 21:56 Five testimonies of Titus 6:17 says, 21:59 now this is in reference to this passage 22:02 that I'm going to read here 22:03 because Paul said this in Titus. 22:06 He said do this, now, Titus 1:5 22:08 "Set in order of the things that are wanting." 22:10 See there are something's wanting here 22:12 we need to get to the bottom of it. 22:14 When people say it doesn't matter 22:15 it does matter things that are wanting. 22:17 It says, "Ordain elders in every city, 22:20 as I appointed thee." 22:22 Notice this "If any be blameless, 22:25 the husband of one wife, having faithful children 22:31 not accused of riot or unruly. 22:34 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God." 22:39 What does the Bible say? 22:40 Bible says elders, elders in the church 22:43 they must be the husband of a wife, 22:45 having wife, having faithful children. 22:49 So you say okay, look and reading that passage 22:52 going to the spirit of prophecy notice what it says there 22:54 5, page 617 in this reference. 22:57 "It would be well for all our ministers 22:59 to give heed to these words and not to hurry men 23:03 into office without due consideration 23:06 and much prayer that God would designate 23:10 by His Spirit whom He will accept." 23:14 So it says here He will accept some 23:15 and some He will not accept. 23:17 Men may put people in positions, 23:19 wait God wouldn't do that but men try to do that. 23:23 Remember who He will accept 23:26 He'll only accept those who fulfill 23:29 the guidelines that He has set up. 23:32 Oh, I want that to make sense to you. 23:34 God will only accept those who meet the guidelines 23:39 that He has set up. 23:41 That makes sense to me. 23:43 We won't set our own guidelines, 23:45 God didn't qualify you. 23:46 He didn't say you could do that 23:48 but we have to meet those qualifications there. 23:52 So, let's say well, if we don't and you know 23:54 follow the inspirited word 23:56 He is not going to accept that individual really. 24:01 He can't accept them 24:02 if they don't fit the qualifications. 24:05 Now, concerning elders 24:07 we are talking about started in verse 17 24:09 if we do 1 Timothy 5 24:11 and I'm gonna read verse 22 quickly 24:13 but if you start with verse 17 and go on 24:15 it gives you a little bit of feel 24:17 for what we are talking about here. 24:18 It says notice its talking about ordination 24:21 of elders and pastors. 24:22 It says, "Lay hands suddenly on no man." 24:27 People only that say, well, 24:28 that could be mankind in general 24:30 and then you have-- see just praise God 24:33 for the spirit of prophecy because you can go 24:35 because that can a debate for some. 24:37 If you look at the whole context of it 24:38 there will be now but most people won't do that 24:40 because they are trying to make something fit that doesn't fit. 24:43 You ever try to put a size ten foot 24:46 into about a seven size shoe? 24:49 You know what I'm talking about some people would try it 24:52 and they'll try to get away with it. 24:53 But now concerning this verse 24:55 notices what 5, T 617 and 618 says. 24:59 Did somebody hear me? 25:01 This is refereeing specifically 25:02 to what I just read in the Bible. 25:05 Here is what it said, this goes powerful now. 25:08 It speaks to us today, 25:10 it says, if some of our churches, 25:13 notice this "In some of our churches, 25:15 the work of organizing and of ordaining 25:17 elders has been premature." 25:20 Lot of times there is no one else we say 25:22 hey, how about you doing it male, 25:24 qualification the Bible said though. 25:27 And consequently grievous trouble 25:29 has been brought upon the church. 25:31 See if we don't follow God's councils 25:33 eventually there is going to be grievous problems 25:36 are going to be at your door. 25:37 It may take a while but I guarantee you 25:39 if we don't follow the council of God 25:42 grievous problems going to not only in the church 25:44 but in our own personal home. 25:47 There is Bible rules Bible rules are disregarded 25:52 so if you disregard Him grievous trouble 25:54 is going to broad in. 25:55 Notice this reading on, 25:56 "There should not be so great haste 25:58 in electing leaders as to ordain men 26:03 who are in no way fitted for the responsible work 26:06 men need to be converted." 26:09 A man how I -- I say amen to that. 26:11 Men need to be converted. 26:14 It will be better not to have them 26:15 if they are not what fulfill the qualifications 26:18 of God has set up in His word. 26:20 Rather and say we have to have an elder 26:22 or we have to have a deacon, 26:24 we have to have this office fill, 26:25 that may be so but you don't put them in there 26:27 if they don't fit the qualifications 26:29 because God will not say amen to that. 26:32 I hope you follow what I'm saying. 26:34 Again in 5 Testimonies 618, 618 say this. 26:38 "The leaders of churches 26:39 in every place should be earnest," 26:42 yes, "full of zeal and unselfish interest" 26:46 notice this, "men of God." 26:49 See we need unity, we need unity on this issue, 26:55 it shouldn't be up to this group we can do it, 26:58 this group shouldn't do it. 27:00 This preordained here but it' only in this local area 27:03 its not ordination you know around the world 27:05 which we have a worldwide work. 27:09 But some how we're what, once we get away 27:11 from the Bible rule and teachings, 27:13 we begin to you know fragment, 27:15 we will be going to all different directions 27:17 and becomes very complicated. 27:19 Unity is so important in fact you know, 27:21 Jesus prayed that you remember that in John 17. 27:25 He said, "That we may all be one as thou, 27:28 Father, art in me, and I in thee, 27:31 there may be one in us." 27:34 What now notice this, when there is unity 27:36 and were collected together in unity of scripture 27:39 and doctrine and teaching that right there says, 27:42 that the world may believe that thou has sent me. 27:46 Wow, if all the disruptions we have in the church 27:49 in different doctrines and teachings 27:50 of things going on. 27:52 Now, you will say well, that passage can go many ways, 27:54 praise God for the spirit of prophecy again. 27:57 You know we can really, really interesting 27:58 you study in scripture here 28:00 the Bible you are take you read the Bible. 28:02 you have-- many times you have 28:03 historical accounts as beautiful and you can go to 28:06 and then you have the spirit of prophecy to go. 28:09 Many people are not using there you are missing out on that. 28:11 Concerning this passage its says 28:12 nothing different than what the scripture says, 28:14 listen to this in 5 "T" 620 concerning 28:17 this passage spirit of prophecy says this. 28:20 "All professed Christians should do 28:22 their utmost to preserve peace, harmony, 28:26 and love in the church." 28:28 Do their utmost to have love peace 28:29 and harmony in the church. Why? 28:32 Because "The unity of the church is convincing 28:36 evidence to the world, that Jesus" what? 28:40 "He is our Redeemer." 28:42 Convincing unity of the church convince. 28:44 God sent Jesus into this world and then it goes my, 28:50 it says, "God is dishonored by those who profess the truth 28:56 while they are at variance and enmity with one another." 29:00 This is heavy, "It would be better for us never," 29:03 notice the word never "to have seen 29:05 the light of truth than to profess to accept it 29:09 and not be sanctified through it." 29:12 There is the problem well I know, 29:14 I know, I know what it said 29:16 but it has sanctified it hasn't change you. 29:19 That's what truth does. 29:20 That's why many people are still the same old, 29:22 same old because they won't let the truth. 29:24 They'll say okay, I recognize I see 29:25 what it is when you let it inside it will change you. 29:28 You will be different. 29:30 You are sanctified John 17:17 sanctified by the truth. 29:34 So the women's ordination can you say it doesn't matter? 29:37 No, you know it matters 29:40 because truth matters every bit of it. 29:44 Notice again, in direct response to this verse 29:47 that we read in scripture what it say lay-- 29:50 lay hands suddenly on no man. 29:53 4 Testimonies 406 says this we go, 29:56 oh, that man, that means that a mankind 29:58 that can be man or woman now listen 30:00 406, 4 "T" 406 says this. 30:03 "In the days of the apostles the ministers of God 30:06 did not dare rely upon their own judgment in selecting 30:10 or accepting men to take the solemn sacred position 30:15 of mouthpiece for God." 30:16 Wow. 30:18 "They selected the men 30:19 and whom their judgment would accept, 30:22 and then they placed them" notice 30:24 "before the Lord to see if He would accept them. 30:28 No less than this should be done now. 30:32 How many times that we really follow that council? 30:36 How many times if we really follow 30:38 that council we have committee meetings, 30:40 we nominate and we place in now here 30:42 and we say human reasoning this seems 30:44 like Joel should be, and then we what we what, 30:48 give him to God and let God answer. 30:50 Will God accept him? 30:53 See, so it's very, very important 30:54 that we say this ordination isn't proper. 30:57 Should woman really be ordained? 31:00 Does it stop them in any work any form or fact? 31:02 Absolutely not but there is a truth to this. 31:06 See we believe as a people God has given us great light. 31:10 Don't you? 31:11 It's great light, 31:13 but if that light doesn't lead us into the-- 31:18 I want to call to unity of the spirit. 31:21 If it doesn't lead us to greater devotion 31:23 and great consecration to God and to live holy our lives, 31:29 our willingness to become more and more 31:30 like Jesus to be obedient to the truth 31:33 then what good is it? 31:36 See what good is it if it doesn't change us? 31:45 Are we not to that-- Titus talks about here 1:14 31:50 it manages, manages that it says, 31:52 "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, 31:55 and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." 31:59 See very, very interesting when we read this 32:02 because so many times especially in the Adventism 32:05 we read that passage 32:07 and we read certainly Matthew 15:9 32:10 and we quote it many times, 32:11 we'll say "In vain do they worship me, 32:13 teaching for doctrines 32:15 the commandments of" again "men." 32:16 And so we point there about and say 32:18 in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines 32:20 the commandments of men. 32:21 The ordination of women is a commandment of man 32:23 or it's a commandment of God? 32:26 In vain do they worship me, he says. 32:28 Its pretty heavy duty, isn't it? 32:31 Testimonies to Ministers 229, comments on this verse, 32:34 in case we are going out in the north 40 somewhere 32:37 we are fortune and carrying on right now, 32:39 somebody ladies are pulling your hair 32:41 about to scream don't do that. 32:43 Don't do that listen to what the Word of God says, 32:45 it says by the grace of God I want to line up with it 32:47 because that's the best way. 32:50 You know, what sometime we may have to make some changes 32:52 and you know how difficult that would be 32:54 we talked about before, 32:55 since we have already moved in certain direction 32:57 for those who are in charge to say, 33:00 oh, we made a mistake 33:01 or we really shouldn't have done this and to back up. 33:03 I tell you God's people would unite and have some unity 33:07 if sometime we went with the wrong direction 33:09 and we found our way. 33:10 We found God, we found the truth which stand up 33:12 and say we went the wrong way God help us. 33:15 We want to do the right thing. 33:16 Watch the people stand up in support of that 33:19 rather than you keep making it verse and verse. 33:21 Testimonies to Ministers 229, comments on this verse, 33:25 Matthew 15:9 33:28 "Every conceivable deception will be brought into our work." 33:33 No side issues must be advanced until 33:37 "No side issues must be advanced until 33:40 there has been a thorough examination 33:43 of the ideas entertained, that it may be ascertained 33:48 from what source they have originated." 33:50 So people come to say well, 33:52 well somebody is doing it over here, 33:53 this church has done it over here, 33:55 he is doing it over here. 33:56 Doesn't matter what he is doing, 33:57 doesn't matter what somebody is doing over there. 33:58 What does God's word say, hope you see them 34:01 not trying to be too difficult 34:02 not trying to be hard on this issue, 34:04 but too often we just say well you know, 34:07 be careful almost said the doctors said or you know, 34:10 somebody in the high position the lawyer says 34:12 so I'm not going to say that. 34:13 And think all of a sudden 34:14 that's God speaking well its not. 34:17 God's words speak loud and clear on these issues. 34:21 We hear somebody say well, 34:22 this is we can do this right now, 34:24 we live in a different dispensation, 34:25 we live in a different time 34:26 and you know men are there and women are there. 34:28 God's words till the same yesterday, today, and forever. 34:32 We find these issues coming on, 34:33 then we find out where they originated 34:35 and notice this I'm reading on, "They will create" 34:40 in other words, they will try to create 34:41 and "some will claim this will be advanced light." 34:45 Oh, this is advanced light we haven't seen this, 34:47 this is new light. 34:50 "And they will proclaim as new and wonderful things, 34:53 and yet while in some respects the message is" 34:57 notice this in some respects see how the devil works, 35:00 he always mingles what somebody help me, 35:02 truth and err together. 35:04 So in some respects what they're saying, 35:06 there is some truth to it. 35:08 This article says "some respects the message is truth. 35:11 It will be mingled with men's inventions, 35:15 and will teach for doctrine the commandments of men. 35:19 There may be supposable things 35:21 that will appear as good things." 35:23 How many times have you heard something 35:24 that just initially it appears good. 35:27 Oh, wow, this is good and then you begin to listen 35:29 and hear little oh, wait a minute here wait. 35:32 The article goes on and says, 35:34 but "Yet they need to be carefully consider 35:37 with much prayer, 35:39 for they are specious devices of the enemy 35:43 to lead souls in a path which lies so close 35:46 to the path of truth 35:48 that it will be scarcely distinguishable 35:50 from the path which leads to holiness and heaven. 35:54 At first" notice this "it may be thought positively right, 35:58 but after a while it is seen to be widely divergent 36:02 from the path of safety, 36:04 make straight the paths for your feet." 36:07 That makes sense doesn't it? 36:09 Make straight the path, 36:11 see there is no use of saying that 36:13 well, it's not clear doesn't matter so leave off. 36:16 What is there in the word that's not clear? 36:19 What? 36:20 Come on and challenge in somebody. 36:24 What is God put in here, 36:25 you think He would put something in here 36:27 that we can by the grace 36:30 and the power of the Holy Spirit figure out 36:32 line upon line preset upon-- He would never do that. 36:35 Because the problem is not with God 36:37 not with scriptures with what? 36:38 With us, we try to make it say 36:40 what we want and we are doing a lot of this with it 36:42 and we need not do that. 36:44 No, one -- intentionally may be would do that 36:46 but it's been done that way. 36:50 We must carefully consider with much prayer 36:54 Bible talks about we must continue on in Colossians 1:23 36:58 we must continue on in the -- in the truth. 37:02 It says continue on in the faith, 37:04 grounded and settle notice that and be not moved. 37:08 Are you grounded are you settled in the truth 37:11 or you just waving about 37:12 by which ever group that you're in? 37:14 Oh, well they said this, well she said 37:16 that well he said something. 37:19 Oh, I just want to say so what? 37:23 So what, what does the Word of God say? 37:26 "Use no man, no word, no-- 37:28 Child whatever you say well, they say they teach." 37:30 What does the Bible teach? 37:33 We must continue in the faith round it settled, 37:37 rooted not to be moved. 37:39 We need a straight path. 37:41 You know, Book of Isaiah 45:2 37:44 he said there will be people in the last days 37:46 they are gonna make the crooked roads straight. 37:49 You realize that most of the churches today 37:51 the people that got crooked road any how 37:52 and they are making little more or so. 37:54 They are so tangled up and can't figure out one doctor 37:57 and one teaching from another. 37:58 The Bible is clear we need to stay-- 38:00 oh, it will change your life. 38:01 Yeah, sure it will because that's what the truth does. 38:04 So our message is the same we have mentioned many times 38:06 as that of what John the Baptist 38:08 when he said repeat-- 38:09 repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 38:12 You remember that? 38:16 Three Testimonies 279 38:18 on Matthew 3:3 that we are talking about 38:20 and in concerning Elijah on Mount Carmel. 38:23 "The condition of Israel in their apostasy 38:26 demands a firm demeanor." 38:28 Okay, you say sometime well, he is a little bit too tough. 38:30 He is little bit too firm on this right. 38:32 Listen at the time John the Baptist 38:34 the time of Elijah message the Bible talks about here 38:38 that they had to stand fast. 38:40 They had to lift up a standard. 38:41 Here is the spirit of prophecy says right here 38:43 it calls for men of their firm demeanor, 38:46 stern speech, and commanding authority. 38:50 God compares -- he compares 38:52 and prepares the message to fit the time and the occasion. 38:57 God-- God directs, God send a commanding 39:02 message that fits the time and the occasion. 39:04 Notice reading on, it says, 39:06 "Sometimes He puts His Spirit upon His messengers 39:10 to sound an alarm day and night" 39:13 and what, just as He did John, just as He did Elijah notice. 39:19 And He says, "Prepare ye the way of the Lord. 39:22 Then, again, men of action are needed." 39:24 Not men that want to sit by and do nothing. 39:27 Men that are going to retire early, 39:28 but men of action are needed. 39:30 Men are spiritual inside 39:32 so that God could take control of that man 39:34 and He is going to sound the trumpet. 39:35 He knows when He's sounding it peoples are not gonna like it. 39:38 But you know what, I'm not a people pleasure are you? 39:41 I would like to get along with everybody 39:43 but we need to what? We want to please God. 39:45 We want to bring the message home. 39:48 He is looking for men. 39:49 Women today "Who will not be swerved from duty, 39:54 but whose energy will arouse" 39:57 and He is going to say this, "Who is on the Lord's side?" 40:02 May be you need to be challenged today 40:03 what side you are on. 40:05 You been or sitting on the fence 40:06 and just getting spinners that's all your are doing. 40:08 Get off of the fence. Who is on the Lord side? 40:11 Get over here and do it and sad to say 40:14 when you say who's on the Lord's side 40:16 who is gonna stand for God? 40:17 Many people stand and say well, I don't know. 40:19 Oh, you got to know now is the time to say 40:22 I'm on the Lord's side. 40:23 Not trying to get along with this group 40:25 with that group over here I want to get long 40:27 I want to do what God wants me to do. 40:29 Who is on the Lord's side? 40:32 You need a Mount Carmel experience I need that. 40:35 The Lord He is God, the Lord He is God. 40:38 Have you read that 1 Kings 18? 40:41 People begin to chant the Lord He is God. 40:46 Something needs to be said us today 40:47 3 testimonies 255 says, 40:49 I have been shown that the greatest reason 40:52 somebody doesn't want it 40:53 I know you don't want to hear this but listen. 40:55 "I have been shown that the greatest reason 40:57 why the people of God are now found 41:01 in this state of spiritual blindness 41:04 is that they will not receive correction." 41:08 No one wants to read those things 41:11 but if there are in there 41:12 and they are from the spirit of prophecy should we not, 41:15 and the Bible speaks about the blind leaders of the blind. 41:19 The reason they went-- 41:20 see people read this and they don't like it 41:22 and they just push aside 41:23 they don't want to talk about any more, 41:25 talk about how good things are going. 41:26 The reason, if a spiritual blind in the day 41:29 that these words were pen we are little more blind today. 41:31 Do you follow me? 41:33 Spiritual blindness, 41:35 they will not receive correction. 41:36 So, here is our problem we begin down path. 41:40 And then we begin to see that path it 41:41 looks okay to begin with because there are some demands 41:44 and some people warning certain things 41:45 in higher positions and we get our feet down 41:48 on the path and then they guess a little bit broader 41:50 more people want and pretty soon 41:51 we begin look say, may be this is not quite right. 41:54 But we can't turn around. 41:55 We don't want to turn around 41:56 we are afraid there is going to be uproar. 41:58 We are afraid somebody is going to say 41:59 oh, my don't you people know what you're doing. 42:04 We will not receive correction 42:05 we should be willing to be corrected. 42:08 Same page 3 "T" 255, says, 42:11 "Satan has ability to suggest doubts 42:15 and to devise objections to the pointed testimony 42:21 that God sends, many think it a virtue, 42:24 a mark of intelligence" have you met those? 42:27 "In them, to be unbelieving and to question and quibble. 42:32 All should decide" listen this all should decide 42:36 that you today that's me. 42:39 "All should decide on the weight of evidence." 42:43 On the weight of what? Evidence. 42:46 You look in the Old Testament, 42:47 oh, there is no evidence the women's orientated. 42:48 Oh, you look in the New Testament 42:50 oh, there is no weight of women. 42:53 So where do we get it? 42:58 See its okay to say, its okay to challenge your mind, 43:01 my mind has to be challenged with this too. 43:03 Everything should be decided by the weight of evidence 43:06 rather than I think of what? 43:08 Here is the question. 43:10 We have explained several and read several passages 43:14 from the Apostle Paul. 43:16 Now what was Paul teaching? 43:20 What was Paul teaching here in the New Testament? 43:24 Well, I mentioned a while ago, 43:25 that you know he was teaching that the office 43:28 and we just did a sample. 43:30 He was teaching that the office of deacon, 43:32 elder and pastor was to be a male. 43:37 Ah, listen since Paul was qualified isn't that right? 43:41 It guided by the Holy Spirit. 43:44 Since he was inspired to write by the Holy Spirit 43:50 then don't you think surely 43:52 he would not teach something contrary 43:57 to what the Holy Spirit approved on? 44:00 See we can -- see instead of reading this 44:02 and say these are harsh words I don't think he meant what-- 44:05 what do you mean you didn't think? 44:06 What do you mean? 44:09 There must be a reason than to say well it doesn't matter. 44:12 We needed to say why did he say it like this 44:16 and then we began to put evidence together 44:17 and say oh, I think I'm beginning to see 44:20 and it become little clear as we go here. 44:23 Surely he wouldn't teach anything contrary 44:25 to what the Holy Spirit inspired him to do. 44:29 But the Word of God says only a male can fill the role 44:34 of leadership of deacon, elders and pastors. 44:41 Wow, that's pretty plain isn't it? 44:45 See, I don't want to mince around with it 44:46 because you mince around with it stir up a little bit 44:49 and try to please this group and that group. 44:51 You got to mess on your hand 44:52 because no matter how far you go 44:54 somebody will go a little bit further. 44:55 I think you know what I'm talking about. 44:59 So Paul has said this, 45:01 he said the male is to fill the role of leadership, 45:03 deacon, elders and pastor. 45:05 So would that now-- so now, 45:06 would the Holy Spirit call a woman to fill an office 45:10 which the Holy Spirit has already said 45:12 should be filled by a man. 45:13 Are they not? 45:16 Wow, shouldn't we be the people who obey the Bible? 45:22 Shouldn't we not have biblical grounds 45:27 for a position which we stand? 45:32 Shouldn't we have the authority to contradict 45:35 or to change or pass some new rules or new policies 45:39 which contradict the Word of God? 45:40 No, we shouldn't. 45:41 We don't have the authority to change. 45:45 Now its clear in scripture, 45:48 now, I'm already pretty deep isn't that right some of you, 45:52 more of you above I understand that. 45:54 But you know what I go a little bit deeper 45:55 and its gonna get that. 45:56 This is only part two and its get deep. 45:59 But people love Jesus say you know what, 46:01 His way is always the best. 46:03 His way is always oh, 46:05 it gets sweeter as the days go by. 46:08 Don't find what God has instituted here. 46:11 What did Paul mean in 1 Corinthians 14:34 46:16 oh, I wish-- I almost wished I didn't have to say this. 46:21 1 Corinthians 14:34 he said, 46:23 "Women are to keep silent in the church." 46:27 Boy, if heard some dandies on this one. 46:30 He said it and it's in the word. 46:33 Now, he had there was a reason why he said what he said. 46:37 Now, let's try to evaluate it based upon all the writings 46:40 of scripture what was he really talking here. 46:43 I mean they could never say anything? 46:44 I don't think so. 46:46 But the original word in the language 46:47 and silence means hold your peace that means hush. 46:51 No one wants to hear that. 46:54 But if we examine other scriptures, 46:57 other scripts indicate that Paul would like 47:00 the women to use their gifts. 47:03 Are you still with me? 47:05 Paul wanted the women to use their gifts 47:10 under certain conditions and guidelines. 47:14 Well, that begins to make sense. 47:18 And then Paul went ahead 47:19 and it's like he was digging it deeper 47:21 and I guess may be I'm too. 47:22 But he said he wanted he encouraged women 47:24 to learn in silence. 47:26 I have heard some dandies on these 47:28 of why you said that. 47:30 Listen, learn in silence. 47:32 What 1 Timothy 2:11 say, 47:35 "and He didn't allow woman to teach 47:39 or to have authority over men." 47:42 Keep this word in mind, headship and authority over men 47:46 whether in the home or in the church. 47:49 We will prove that as we go along in this teaching. 47:53 This is what it told by in ordination. 47:55 If some is ordained as an elder or pastor they have headship, 47:59 ruler ship over the other people 48:01 that would be in the church 48:03 and there is a women to hold that office. 48:06 He said, I don't want-- 48:07 the woman is not going to teach or have authority over men. 48:10 Now, you think, 48:11 well, what's wrong here 1 Timothy 2:11. 48:14 But this passage is not forbid a woman 48:16 to teach in every form or in every condition. 48:20 He wants them to use their gifts 48:23 and then shouldn't we not as 2 Timothy 1:3 tell us, 48:27 right, once we begin to hear these things 48:29 "Hold fast the form of" what good, 48:32 you heard "sound words, which thou hast heard of me, 48:36 in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus." 48:40 Would you say today that Paul was -- 48:42 well, Paul had some you know firm words. 48:45 Solid given by the Holy Spirit, he was a man of God? 48:49 Sure, so we have to take serious the points 48:53 that he made and bring them into where we can look at them 48:57 and say wow, how interesting. 49:00 1 Timothy 5:1 has some weight. 49:03 It says, "Rebuke not an elder" 49:05 notice this, "Rebuke not an elder, 49:07 but entreat him as a father." 49:10 A woman can't be a father can she? 49:13 Talking about the elders. 49:16 If a father must be a man the overseer, 49:19 the elders, pastors, the bishops all you know, 49:23 New Testament all man deacons. 49:25 1 Timothy 3:2-4, 49:27 "A bishop must be blameless the husband of one wife." 49:31 Verse 4, "One that ruleth well his own house, 49:34 having his children" his children "in Subjection." 49:38 Notice 1 Timothy 3:8 49:40 starting talking about deacons here 49:42 but it talks about let's read verse 11 focuses on it. 49:46 It said they are talking about those who ordained 49:48 what as deacons and elders. 49:50 It says, "They so must their wives" 49:54 notice this, notice what, be what in subjection to them. 49:58 "Even so much their wives." 50:01 And so that means there must be a man if they have a wife. 50:03 Verse 12 said, "Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife." 50:08 There's lot of the information. 50:09 Notice these texts apply strongly in the Greek 50:13 to someone who is teaching 50:15 in the leadership role in the church. 50:19 Jot this down. 50:20 I wish we had time to read them all, we do not. 50:22 1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 4:11, 50:27 1 Timothy 6:12, 2 Timothy 2:2, 50:32 read these you just find in the Greek 50:34 that it referring to what? 50:36 Leadership role in the church. 50:40 And then you link this with the authority over men. 50:44 So, Paul is not forbidding all teaching of women 50:48 but he is teaching about the teaching in a church 50:52 which puts a woman in authority over a man. 50:57 There's more reasons they will give you 50:58 some little bit later on but notice this, 51:00 Paul forbids that a woman should be in the church 51:03 or in the home have authority over the man. 51:06 Remember, Paul in Titus 2:3-5, 51:10 he givers an example of certain teaching that women can do. 51:14 He just simply says that he can each that 51:15 which is good and to train other women. 51:19 Certainly not forbidding women at all 51:21 to speak or to teach, do evangelism, 51:25 help with the evangelistic service, 51:26 you know, go out and just work, 51:27 work be involved in ministry has to nothing to do. 51:30 We're taking about ordination or elevating a woman 51:33 in the church or in the home 51:35 higher than that are they meant to have men underneath them. 51:39 Interesting. 51:41 Authoritative teaching that an elder 51:44 or pastor should be doing, 51:46 do you notice that the big question doing what? 51:48 Should women in the church be teaching in a position 51:51 that gives them authority over the men? 51:56 That's what the elders and the pastor is to be doing. 52:00 They should not have authority over. 52:03 Now, may I say this it has nothing to do with how good, 52:09 has nothing to how smart they are, 52:11 how educated that they are, how qualified that they are, 52:16 they are smarter than brother so and so, 52:17 they do a better-- that's not the issue. 52:20 The issue is God sets up the qualifications 52:23 and He wants us to follow it. 52:25 Paul's instruction to Timothy is clear. 52:29 He prohibits a woman to teach or have authority over man. 52:37 Even this passage alone, just like here you know, 52:41 it rules out a woman as a pastor or an overseer of man, 52:45 1 Timothy 1:3 read it and then let me tell you this, 52:48 this deal is also with the home. 52:51 Let me give you some examples here quickly, 52:53 I know we just have a few minutes left, okay. 52:54 We will work on a quick right backup 52:56 when we comeback for the third part. 52:58 You remember Paul was visiting a town 53:00 and he was staying with Aquila and Pricilla. 53:03 See Paul dealt with these issues and Ephesus 53:06 and Corinth and in time in these places, 53:10 he actually stayed with these people. 53:12 He actually became acquainted with these women, 53:15 well educated women, 53:17 women who ran their own business, 53:19 they were professionals. 53:22 And he stayed with them, he lived with them, 53:23 he ate from their table but he still talk 53:26 that a woman was not to teach in a capacity 53:29 that would have authority over a man. 53:34 What was one of the reasons or principle of this position? 53:38 Well, he used 1 Timothy 2:13, 53:41 at the first we've mentioned this, 53:43 Adam was formed first and then Eve. 53:47 So Adam had the responsibility, Adam had the leadership, 53:51 he had the, we call that the headship, 53:54 he was the first born in the family. 53:57 Read that in Colossians 1:15-18. 54:00 So, we or some, 54:02 we're challenged with Paul's teachings. 54:05 We're really challenged. 54:07 But will we be willing to accept 54:12 what the word of God says? 54:13 Even if we've already went too far? 54:15 We'll be willing to say, 54:16 wait we shouldn't have went that far. 54:18 And will women today would be willing to use their gifts 54:22 and teaching and speaking within a biblical structure 54:27 the way that Paul, the way that God, 54:28 the way the Holy Spirit said to do it 54:31 as they should under the leadership, 54:34 the headship of a man called of God 54:38 and they hold the office of an elder or a pastor? 54:43 See that the Bible clearly teaches 54:45 that a man is head in leadership role 54:47 is to be like Christ and we're gonna hit 54:48 that little bit more but I want to-- 54:50 so our time is running out 54:51 to have prayer with you before we close. 54:55 Remember this is not putting anything 54:56 or anybody down or the woman down at all. 54:58 We're gonna have prayer right here with you. 54:59 I want your mind and your heart to be open 55:01 and say what does God word say? 55:03 It's very important, let's pray together shall we? 55:06 Loving Father in heaven, 55:07 we thank You for Your precious word, 55:09 we thank You-- may be as needling 55:11 as it might be for some today, 55:13 we pray Your Holy Spirit will leave God 55:14 in direct in our hearts and in our minds 55:16 and help us to fit the way that You have told us 55:18 in Your word that we made line up with Your word 55:21 and that we can be what You would have us to be 55:24 in this last days of earth's history. 55:25 Thank You for hearing and answering prayer 55:27 in Jesus name, amen. 55:30 You know we want to thank you 55:32 for joining in and making its that, 55:33 may be a part of some people watch on dare to dream everyday 55:36 and then in our regular programs and radio, 55:39 we appreciate your cards and your letters 55:40 and your support to keep this messages going. 55:43 If you want them to keep going, 55:44 if you want to hear the truth of God's word 55:46 we encourage you to you know, 55:47 to make behold the Lamb Ministry 55:48 just a part of your giving, 55:51 so that we can get the word out so that we can go home. 55:53 We're gonna be doing part three, 55:55 that are really continuous to get 55:56 really, really heavy duty but you know what, 55:58 I know you love Jesus, 55:59 I know you love the word, I do too. 56:01 We love you and we look forward to seeing you next time. 56:06 Hello and welcome back. 56:08 In closing I just like to share one more quote 56:11 from the pin of inspiration is found 56:13 in Manuscript Releases 16 pages 73 and 74 56:18 reading it says, "God's promises to the obedient 56:22 are 'good tidings of great joy.' 56:24 They are gladdening to the humble, contrite soul. 56:28 The life of the true Christian is radiant 56:30 with the beams of the Sun of Righteousness. 56:33 If men and women would act as the Lords helping hand, 56:37 doing deeds of love and kindness, 56:40 uplifting the oppressed, rescuing those ready to perish, 56:44 the glory of the Lord would be their reward. 56:47 They would call, and the Lord would answer, 56:50 'Here am I.' 56:51 They would turn to the one close beside them, 56:53 who has given them the promise, 'Lo, I'm with you always, 56:57 even unto the end of the world.'" 57:00 Again friends, no matter our hierarchy 57:03 or position in this life, our focus, 57:06 our aim should always be the fulfilling of the ministry 57:10 as exemplified by Christ himself, 57:13 our Savior and our Lord. 57:15 And to help you in this study we are offering this series, 57:19 "Women's Ordination" 57:21 for a love gift of just $23 or more. 57:24 All you need to do is call us here 57:26 in the United States at 618-942-5044, 57:31 that Central Standard Time 57:33 or write us at Behold the Lamb Ministries, 57:36 PO Box 2030, Herrin, Illinois 62948. 57:40 You may email us 57:42 at BeholdtheLambMinistries @yahoo.com 57:45 or you may also order these messages 57:47 or any other messages offered on our websites 57:50 at www. 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