Participants: Atonte Myers, Ivor Myers
Series Code: BOF
Program Code: BOF000017
00:14 Welcome to "Battles of Faith".
00:16 We're your hosts Ivor and Atonte Myers.
00:19 Today we're continuing our discussion
00:22 about the French Revolution.
00:24 The title of today's program is
00:25 'The Science of Music and the Beast'.
00:28 Now, I know many of you are wondering
00:30 'what are they going to say? How does the French revolution
00:33 affect the music of today?'
00:35 Well, if you're about to change the channel
00:37 or go to another room, you're not going to want
00:39 to do that. You're going to want to sit down,
00:40 grab your Bible and go through the Scriptures with us
00:43 as we study this very important topic.
00:47 - Yes. We have been dealing with the French Revolution,
00:49 we've been discussing the Beast from the abyss
00:53 and showing how this beast, that rises up from the abyss,
00:57 according to Revelation 11:7 has a wide effect
01:03 on what we see today happening with our young people.
01:05 We are going to be looking today at music.
01:09 We have seen already evolution,
01:11 arising from this beast from the abyss,
01:16 from the French Revolution in our previous program...
01:18 sexual perversion, we have looked at the issue of
01:22 humanism and seen all these principles rising
01:25 out from this profetic event found in Revelation 11.
01:30 Again, I want to look at our graphic,
01:32 first graphic rather, which we have been
01:35 actually putting up there through previous shows
01:40 speaking of this dissemination of the French Revolution,
01:44 the principles that came out of the French Revolution
01:47 and it says here:
01:48 [text on the screen]
02:01 And that's in the book 'Education', page 228.
02:04 What we see here is that the principles that arose out of
02:07 the French Revolution, that led to the French Revolution
02:10 are now going out on a worldwide scale.
02:15 So, I'm saying that the French Revolution was
02:16 a test tube that the enemy was using,
02:19 and now, these things, humanism, evolution, sexual permissivness,
02:25 and now we're going to see music,
02:27 are all being the principles that the enemy is trying to use
02:32 and that are now being disseminated
02:34 on a worldwide basis.
02:36 We have a very interesting study today.
02:38 We're going to be looking at a chart we have created
02:43 and it's called 'The Family Tree of Musical Sorcery'.
02:47 If it's sounds interesting, that's because it is interesting
02:52 It's amazing to see the history of the kinds of music
02:56 that we listen to today, and that's what we'll be looking at.
02:59 So, I want to put our first slide up, our first graphic up
03:02 and we are going to see here, at the bottom of this graphic...
03:07 You see this family tree and, right at the bottom,
03:10 it stands the Santa Domingo slave trade.
03:15 I want to give a little history about that.
03:17 In 1492 Columbus discovered a little island or place
03:25 by the name of Hispaniola.
03:27 A little while later, the Spaniards sold this little
03:34 Caraibbean place to the French, and the French
03:39 changed the name from Hispaniola to Santa Domingo.
03:43 And it was here, in Santa Domingo,
03:45 where it became one of the popular centers for slave trade.
03:50 And what would happen is that tha slaves would come in,
03:53 would be brought in to this place and they were
03:58 immediately baptized as Catholics.
04:01 However, they were not allowed to read their Bibles,
04:05 they were not allowed to really understand
04:09 what it was that they were being baptized into.
04:10 What happened is that, these slaves, being brought
04:13 from various parts of Africa were separated so that
04:18 they would not really be able to communicate with each other.
04:21 That communication barrier was broken
04:23 and what happened is that these slaves began to come
04:28 together and to synchronize their various religions.
04:32 So, what they came up with was a religion
04:36 which we know today as voodoo.
04:39 - And it's something that they had in common
04:42 from Africa.
04:43 I mean, they had these religions and these worship services
04:46 in Africa, and the only thing that they could still relate to
04:49 each other was this religion; because they were forced
04:52 to become Catholic and they weren't able to,
04:56 publically, do their religion,
05:00 they had to do it in secrecy. They couldn't publically
05:02 practice their voodoo tradition or religion.
05:04 That's right. So, what happened
05:05 is that you've got this synchronization
05:07 of all thse various gods.
05:09 That's very interesting, because, when you look
05:11 at the prophecy of Revelation 11
05:13 where this beast that rises up from the abyss is...
05:18 A part of the location that is atributed to this beast
05:22 is Sodom and also Egypt.
05:25 We said in previous programs that Egypt was known
05:27 for its denial of God, when Pharaoh said:
05:30 'Who is God that I should serve Him?'.
05:32 But Egypt is also known for its multiplicity of gods.
05:37 You remember, when God was sending those plagues down
05:40 upon the Egyptians, those represented the ten different
05:46 gods, the gods of the water, the gods of the air.
05:49 Egypt was known for its multiplicity of gods and,
05:52 interesting enough, in this place called Santa Domingo
05:56 you've got all these different gods coming together,
06:00 being synchronized by the slaves,
06:04 and you come up with this religion called voodoo.
06:07 Now, what is so special about voodoo.
06:11 Hollywood makes a lot of fun about voodoo today
06:13 and people just shove it off but voodoo is an actual religion.
06:18 - It is. And the appropriate name for it is "vudun".
06:20 It turned to voodoo once, here in America, people
06:24 started to pick it up. But the original name
06:25 was "vudun".
06:27 - That's right. Now, we're going to throw
06:28 another graphic up here and we see here:
06:32 [text on the screen]
06:44 Interestingly enough, Atonte, the central figure of voodoo
06:50 is a serpant...
06:51 And we know that, as we look at the Bible,
06:53 we see that the serpant is symbolic of the Devil, of Satan.
06:59 And so, here you have these gods coming together
07:01 and you have the serpant as the central figure
07:06 and it is described as the religion under which
07:12 all who gather, share the faith.
07:15 This serpant is symbolic to something that,
07:19 according to the Bible, is satanic and wicked.
07:21 Now, we're going to look at another graphic here
07:25 and this graphic descibes what voodoo is about.
07:29 Listen to this:
07:30 [text on the screen]
08:16 - In other words, I like to paraphrase that almost like
08:21 it's the sign language to the gods.
08:23 The different dance movements that they do during
08:25 the voodoo service is an expression without words,
08:29 it's speaking to them.
08:30 - That's right. This is not a coreographed kind of dance.
08:33 We're talking about people who are dancing
08:36 according to what they were listening to,
08:38 according to what they heard. So, I'm going to put
08:40 another graphic up. Listen to this again:
08:43 [text on the screen]
09:20 So, here we have this description of what voodoo is.
09:23 Its key element, its holy instrument is the drum.
09:26 Its key elements are drum and dance.
09:29 And the serpant is the central figure of this voodoo religion.
09:38 Now, I want to read another statement here and,
09:43 by the way, we don't have refferences from these.
09:45 That's because we've got them from web sites
09:47 and these web sites are actually voodoo sites.
09:52 In other words, they explain voodoo.
09:53 So, we don't want to put the source up there,
09:55 but this is research that we share with you.
09:58 Listen to what this says:
10:00 [text on the screen]
10:27 - So, it's very much a part of their ceremony...the dance.
10:32 It is essential for them to be possesed by the spirits.
10:35 - In fact, in the voodoo religion, the dance represents
10:41 a unity of the gods and and the human body.
10:46 They call it that gods are riding the body.
10:50 And that's what happens when they come in,
10:52 when the gods supposedly come in, and
10:54 the body begins to move serpant-like is what they say.
10:57 The spine begins to move in a serpantlike way
11:00 and they say this is the possesion of the gods,
11:04 the gods riding their subjects.
11:06 - And again, I'm sure there are viewers out there thinking:
11:09 "Hey, well, we are Christians, we don't partake in voodoo."
11:12 And so, what does this have to do with the music issues
11:15 that we are facing today?
11:18 - We have been dealing with the French Revolution,
11:23 showing the spirit of anti-Bible and anti-God
11:27 that arose out of that revolution.
11:29 Well, how does this Santa Domingo and voodoo
11:34 tie in with that?
11:35 In 1791, right in the middle of the French Revolution
11:41 something happened on the island of Santa Domingo.
11:43 The slaves of Santa Domingo saw what was happening
11:47 in France. Remember, this is a French Caraibbean island.
11:50 They saw what was happening in Fance,
11:52 and the same spirit of uprising that they saw taking place
11:57 in France as it were imbude them.
12:00 In other words, they looked at what was happening in France
12:02 and said 'We are going to stage an uprising as well'.
12:05 And you have this uprising...
12:09 And, to this day, this Santa Domingo stage the only
12:14 successfull uprising, revolt that was
12:20 a successfull revolt. And at this very time,
12:24 the name of the island was changed to Haiti.
12:29 And that's how we know it today, as Haiti...
12:32 And there, the voodoo is a very intrical part of Haiti.
12:42 - It's a proeminent religion.
12:43 - That's right. And so, what we can see
12:45 according to one of the quotes that we have just seen,
12:48 is that the principles that led to the French Revolution
12:51 and that are rising out of the French Revolution,
12:53 are now being disseminated on a worldwide level.
12:56 We've seen it through evolution, sexual permissivness,
12:59 we've seen it through humanism and now we're going to look
13:05 at how this revolt in Haiti actually spread out.
13:11 We're going to put our graphic up again
13:12 and you'll notice there, on the third box, highlighted.
13:17 We have there the beast from the abyss,
13:19 the French Haiti revolution.
13:26 But now, you'll look up to the right and you'll notice
13:29 the Louisiana purchase. What is the Louisiana Purchase
13:32 all about?
13:34 Very simple. France, at this time had owned almost
13:38 all of the USA, as we know it today.
13:45 The whole thing was called Louisiana.
13:48 Well, in 1803-1804, France sells Louisiana to
13:57 - And we know it as the famous "Louisiana Purchase".
13:59 - And what's interesting about that is...we've already
14:02 discussed that. The beast from the abyss
14:04 represented the things that took place in France,
14:08 the Revolution in France.
14:10 The beast from the earth, Revelation 13:11:
14:13 'the horns like a lamb... speaks like a dragon...'
14:15 represents events taken place in the US.
14:19 In the Louisiana Purchase you have France and the USA
14:22 making this land agreement.
14:24 What's so significant about that?
14:26 Well, part of the Louisiana Purchase are one of the
14:30 places which America aquired as her own
14:33 was a place called New Orleans.
14:37 - And then slaves were brought to New Orleans
14:40 and that started to be a major slave trade port for America.
14:45 - Exactly. And that is where, in New Orleans, voodoo
14:49 entered in America.
14:52 - A little side note: voodoo, as a religion,
14:56 wasn't allowed to be practiced
14:58 anywhere in America at that time, except for New Orleans.
15:03 - And, to even take that further, they were only allowed
15:07 to practice their voodoo ceremonies on Sundays
15:11 in congo square. And what happened as these slaves
15:15 came over to America and even the free came over
15:19 to America, and to New Orleans, they brought their voodoo
15:22 traditions with them, and they would begin
15:25 practicing their vudun at congo square.
15:30 And what happened is that you had people
15:32 that were coming, Americans that would come,
15:35 and wonder: "What is this strange music that
15:40 these people are doing, and this dancing?",
15:43 because it was foreign to America.
15:46 And what happened is that these tourists would see it
15:48 and it began to interest them so much that
15:51 they began to imitate it.
15:53 A part of the music that began to be popular
15:57 just around this time, the 1900's
15:59 was something known as "Ragtime".
16:02 The 'Ragtime' actually sprang out of New Orleans
16:05 as a result of the slaves that were brought in to New Orleans.
16:09 We can safely say that 'Ragtime',
16:11 with its off-time rythm, with the lawlessness
16:17 that it brought it with it, we can safely say that
16:19 this also ascended out of the beast, or out of the abyss
16:27 that we saw arose up from the French Revolution.
16:31 We've got Santa Domingo, we've got Haiti,
16:36 we've got the French Revolution, we've got France selling
16:39 Louisiana to America, we've got New Orleans
16:41 with the slaves coming over, the voodoo practicing slaves
16:44 coming over, and then we've got this music that
16:48 is introduced to America for the first time
16:50 called 'Ragtime'.
16:53 We're going to put our graphic up there
16:55 and you're going to notice on box no.5,
16:59 the highlighted box where it says:
17:01 'New Orleans slaves migrate from Haiti. Voodoo
17:04 enters America', box no.6: 'Ragtime' - is the music
17:09 that comes out of this style that they brought
17:13 to America. From there you'll se the word,
17:17 or the term 'R&B'. That stands for
17:22 Rythm and Blues, which sprung out of Ragtime.
17:26 And so, here you have this music that is beginning to
17:28 evolve, change forms, transform itself
17:34 and it's moving from one style to another.
17:38 Interesting thing about this is, we looked at the beast
17:41 from the abyss and saw that this beast represented Egypt
17:45 and Sodom - sexual permissivness.
17:50 And, as you look at these styles of music,
17:52 and their origins and what they cause,
17:55 we can ask a question: 'Do we see Egypt?'
17:58 "who is God that I should obey Him?"...
18:00 yes, because Ragtime and R&B were music
18:03 produced by those who did not want to have
18:06 anything to do with God.
18:07 They weren't into Christianity.
18:10 They looked at that as the 'white' religion
18:11 and so, they came up with a different form of music
18:15 and said: 'This is our own, this is our music that expresses
18:18 our sorrows, that expresses what we want to do
18:20 where we don't have much so we like to talk about
18:25 those things that make us all feel good',
18:27 which, at the time, and still now, was sexual permissivness,
18:31 lawlessness. We see that in this style of music.
18:34 We're going to look at the graphic again.
18:36 We're going to notice that, from R&B, the next box
18:39 highlighted would be Jazz.
18:41 1920's! And 'jazz' happens to be a sexual term,
18:46 term that was used.. - ...to describe sex.
18:49 - To describe sexual act.
18:51 So, here you have again; this music is fit into
18:55 the description of Sodom given to the beast
18:58 in Revelation 11.
19:00 Another interesting thing about this
19:01 is...as you look at New Orleans and the celebrations
19:07 that thay have happening in New Orleans...
19:09 In Revelation 11:10 it says:
19:14 "And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice
19:16 and make merry, and shall send gifts
19:20 one to another because these two prophets
19:22 tormented them that dwelt on the earth."
19:28 We're speaking here about the Old and the New Testament.
19:31 When the Old and the New Testament were put away,
19:33 the people celebrated because they were happy
19:38 that God was out of the picture.
19:41 And look at what was happening in New Orleans.
19:43 Look at all the celebrations that were going on there.
19:45 They're celebrations of sin, of wickidness.
19:48 Look at Southern decadence, a celebration of
19:50 sexual permissivness.
19:53 Look at the Jazz Festival...
19:57 All these different celebrations which are, for the most part,
20:02 accompanied with Sodom - sexual permissivness
20:05 and Egypt - 'who is God that I should obey Him?'
20:08 Looking at our graphic again we see that from jazz
20:14 and tha 1920's, you come to
20:16 Rock'n Roll in the '50s and the '60s.
20:20 And, amazingly enough, Rock'n Roll brought with it
20:25 the spirit of rebellion.
20:27 We can safely say that rock'n roll ascended out
20:30 of that abyss.
20:32 And you look: Sodom, Egypt are the principles there?
20:36 Very much so. They are there.
20:39 Now, rock'n roll took two different turns
20:43 in the '50s and the '60s.
20:45 Number 1: in the island of Jamaica.
20:49 They would listen to the music coming from New Orleans
20:54 which was popular music, pop music,
20:56 rock'n roll, jazz, blues,
20:58 they would listen to this, but the signal wasn't very strong
21:03 so it would break up and
21:05 they would go out at times and come back in
21:07 and what happened is that the Jamaicans formed
21:10 this style of music where the music is played
21:13 for a little while and then they purposely stop it,
21:15 and the DJ would talk, and the music would
21:18 start again. This is called
21:20 the forerunner of Reggae.
21:22 Well, in the 1970's, Reggae was taken from Jamaica
21:27 and brought back over to America
21:30 and there is where you have the introduction of hip-hop,
21:33 in the '70s and '80s, beginning in Bronx, New York.
21:39 - And there's where the rap music started.
21:42 - There's where hip-hop and rap music began.
21:45 Let me jump back a little bit. We're going to put our
21:47 graphic up one more time and you're going to notice that
21:49 large box that says: 'The Jesus Movement'.
21:54 What was the 'Jesus Movement'?
21:56 Some of you, who were around in the '50s and '60s,
21:58 or '60s rather remember the 'Jesus Movement'.
22:02 What happened there?
22:03 The hippies from the rock'n roll era, decided that,
22:07 after trying drugs, they were going to try Jesus.
22:11 And what they did is they became Christians,
22:15 but they took their music with them.
22:20 Now remember where this music is coming from.
22:21 It's coming from Santa Domingo, the vudun spirit of worship,
22:26 the gods entering the body and riding the body.
22:29 And, as you look at rock'n roll, what was happening
22:32 to the young people?
22:34 It was as though those spirits were entering
22:38 and just making them do all kinds of crazy rebellious things
22:43 The 'Jesus Movement' took that music,
22:46 and thus, you have the birth of what is known today
22:50 as CCM, Contemporary Christian Music.
22:54 Now, let me say here that CCM simply means
23:00 music that is contemporary with our times.
23:03 And I'm not saying that all contemporary christian music
23:06 is wrong, because artists should be free to do music
23:11 that is up to date.
23:13 But, the kind of music that reflects what we see
23:17 rising out of the abyss, that is where we take issue.
23:20 - And the most important thing, taking it back to
23:23 the voodoo religion, the way that they were able to create
23:27 that dance and that movement was from the drum.
23:29 The drummer was the key person in the voodoo ceremony,
23:34 to get them to move. You cannot dance in that way
23:38 without a drum.
23:40 And so now, as we're looking at Christian music
23:43 you're thinking: 'It's okay to have contemporary music',
23:46 but if it carries the same element that the voodoo
23:50 religion carried, then there is a problem.
23:52 Now, here's a powerful thing.
23:54 When the slaves of Santa Domingo began
23:58 to practice the vudun, they didn't do it openly
24:01 because they knew that the Catholics
24:03 were watching them and that they had to be
24:06 very careful. In other words voodoo had the power to
24:09 synchronize or hide itself under a religious disguise.
24:13 You go to some of those countries today
24:15 and you'll still see the element
24:17 of Catholicism mixed with voodoo.
24:18 Well, what we have happening in the '60s is this very same
24:22 principle. Voodoo, which has transformed itself,
24:25 evolved as it were, was able to adapt under
24:30 this Christian disguise and now it found its way
24:34 moving into what we now see,
24:35 we're going to put our graphic up one last time,
24:37 we have Christian Rap, Christian R&B, Christian Rock,
24:43 Christian Jazz.
24:45 And it's amazing to see how this musical tree of sorcery
24:54 began all the way back on this island,
24:57 and through the French Revolution
24:59 it just exploded upon the world.
25:01 And I want to read this quote again,
25:03 where it tells us that the worldwide dissemination
25:09 of the principles that led to the French Revolution
25:12 are leading the world into a state similar to that
25:19 which convulsed France.
25:20 - I have a powerful statement here.
25:22 It's talking about Jimmy Hendrix
25:26 who was in London one time with a drummer from Africa
25:30 who was a part of the voodoo religion.
25:32 Listen to what it says:
25:33 " He [Hendrix] had gotten a chance to see Rocky
25:36 [which is the gentleman from Africa] and some other
25:38 African musicians on a London scene.
25:40 He found it a pleasure to play rythms against
25:42 their poli-rythms. They would totally go outside into
25:46 another kind of space that he had seldom been
25:49 in before. Rocky's father was a voodoo priest
25:52 and the chief drummer of a village in Guana, West Africa.
25:55 Rocky's real name is Quazi.
25:58 One of the first things that Rocky asked Jimmy was
26:00 where he got that voodoo rythm from.
26:03 When Jimmy dimarred Rocky went on to explain,
26:07 in his halting English, that many of the
26:10 signature rythms Jimmy played on a guitar
26:12 were very often the same rythms that his father
26:15 played in voodoo ceremonies.
26:17 The way Jimmy danced to the rythms of the play
26:19 reminded Rocky of the ceremonial dance,
26:22 to the rythms that his father played during voodoo ceremonies.
26:26 To the gods of thunder and lightning.
26:28 - That's right. One of the things
26:29 that a lot of people don't understand is that,
26:31 in the voodoo religion, the word "syncopation"
26:33 simlpy means the gods and humanity joining together
26:39 in dance. That's what the word 'syncopation' means.
26:42 And, as we think about what we see today,
26:45 as Christians we need to be aware that what
26:50 we are up against is the beast from the abyss.
26:53 He is rising up through evolution,
26:56 through humanism, through drama,
26:59 through sexual perversion and now, we see,
27:02 even through music he is trying to bring
27:05 the world down into the abyss.
27:07 - And into the church, because many of the contemporary
27:11 christian music that we hear today has the same rythm
27:14 and the same beat that you hear in the worldly music
27:17 if you turn on your radio station.
27:19 And here it is, that beat and rythm came
27:22 from the voodoo religion and the drums that they
27:26 were playing to bring out those gods.
27:28 - We want to encourage our viewers to take this
27:31 seriously. You mention the word 'voodoo'
27:34 and people laugh: 'Ha, ha, ha, you don't
27:35 really believe in that stuff, do you?"
27:37 It's a real religion. It is, in reality able to
27:41 disguise itself under many coverings,
27:45 and we want to encourage our viewers who are struggling
27:47 with this very issue, to open the Word of God,
27:50 to research this, to study it and see for themselves
27:55 if what we're saying is not true.
27:57 - Well, unfortunately we're all out of time.
28:00 Until next time, God bless.