Participants: Doug Batchelor
Series Code: AOT
Program Code: AOT000039
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00:12 Welcome to Anchors Of Truth live from Sacramento, California.
00:17 Doctrines That Divide with Doug Batchelor. 00:23 Well, we are live from Sacramento, California. 00:26 And this is what we refer to as Anchors Away, 00:31 because most of our Anchors are there in 00:34 West Frankfort, Illinois at the 3ABN headquarters. 00:38 But this one, and several others, have come 00:42 to you from location. 00:44 And today we're at the beautiful 00:46 Central Sacramento Seventh-day Adventist Church. 00:51 This is a unique congregation, a unique building, 00:55 a unique setting. 00:56 And Camille and I have really enjoyed the few days that 01:00 we've been here with this congregation, 01:03 a warm friendly group. 01:05 Now we've always known that Doug and Karen Batchelor 01:09 are warm and friendly people. 01:10 And we find that either they reflect this church or 01:14 this church reflects them, because we have exactly 01:18 a whole congregation full of very warm people here. 01:23 If you live in this area, I invite you to attend this church 01:29 because you will find, not only great teaching here, 01:33 but you will also find a great group of people 01:37 to fellowship with. 01:39 We're having a wonderful time looking at the 01:42 truths this morning. 01:43 We're going to be looking at the 2300 day/year prophecy, 01:48 the sanctuary, and the questions that come up about 01:53 the sanctuary in this series, which Pastor Doug Batchelor 01:57 has called Doctrines That Divide. 02:02 And you know, there are teachings in the Bible 02:06 that we have really strong opinions one way or the other, 02:10 and that whole denominations have sometimes been 02:14 split over these teachings. 02:16 And some of these are vital. 02:19 And we believe the one we're going to be talking about 02:21 this morning is a very vital subject. 02:25 Before Pastor Doug comes, shall we bow our 02:28 heads for a word of prayer. 02:29 Father in heaven, we thank You this morning for Jesus. 02:34 We thank You for the assurance of salvation through Him. 02:39 And Father, we pray this morning that as Pastor Doug comes, 02:43 and in this very unique way of presenting both sides 02:48 of an argument, that he will bring to us the truth 02:54 from Your Word and that we might see these truths that 03:00 reflect Jesus and uplift Him as our Savior. 03:05 Thank You, Father, for hearing us. 03:07 In Jesus' wonderful and powerful and loving name, amen. 03:13 Pastor Doug, we invite you to come and to join us here 03:18 on the platform. 03:19 And I tell you, this is a unique suit that you're wearing. 03:25 And I know that we have some viewers that this is the 03:28 first time they've actually tuned in. 03:30 And would you tell us a little bit about this suit? 03:34 Well, I saw an advertisement at Men's Wearhouse. 03:37 It said, "Buy two suits, get half off." 03:39 And this is what happened. 03:42 So, those sales... 03:46 Actually, this is a uniform that is going to help us present 03:49 two different sides of a subject. 03:53 Well, you got in a plug for Men's Wearhouse anyway. 03:57 I hope they gave you these suits. 03:59 I hope they saw that as a positive. 04:02 Well listen, we've been enjoying so much these subjects. 04:06 We've talked about the Sabbath, and we've talked about 04:08 the second coming, we've talked about the law of God. 04:11 And now this morning, the subject is going 04:14 to be the sanctuary. 04:15 Is that true? 04:16 Actually, we're going to be talking about three sanctuaries. 04:19 And I've never done it this way before. 04:21 Because we're dealing with some of the distinctive 04:24 Adventist teachings. 04:26 So we'll be talking about the church sanctuary, 04:29 the 2300 day prophecy, and our body sanctuaries. 04:34 Well, let's not spend anymore time doing this 04:37 because you're going to need those 53 minutes and 22 seconds 04:41 to really bring out the truths from God's Word. 04:44 - Thank you, Pastor Gilley. - Thank you. 04:45 - Be praying. - God bless you. 04:47 Well friends, again we want to welcome you 04:49 to this presentation of Doctrines That Divide. 04:53 And again, I want to thank 3ABN for partnering 04:56 with us in this series. 04:57 It has been a privilege to work with 3ABN over the years. 05:00 And right at the beginning we just would like to say, we're 05:04 not going to have a special offering for this series. 05:06 If you appreciate these presentations and you've 05:09 found it's a blessing, if you'd like to make a donation 05:12 to either Amazing Facts or 3ABN, hopefully both, 05:16 just go to the websites. 05:17 They'll be up there on your screen. 05:24 And there's a place there where you can make a donation online. 05:28 And we appreciate you supporting these kinds of 05:31 special presentations. 05:34 Now again, in this presentation today dealing with doctrines 05:39 that divide, we're going to be talking about the subject 05:42 of cleansing the temples; 05:44 the sanctuary, the church, and our bodies. 05:48 And for those who may be joining us for the first time, 05:51 let me explain the suit, the uniform. 05:54 I am going to be representing a couple of different views. 05:58 I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 06:01 I know that the greatest part of Christ's true followers 06:05 are in the fellowship of other churches and denominations. 06:09 But I obviously believe through my study of the Word 06:12 that the Seventh-day Adventist teachings 06:15 are close to the Bible. 06:16 There are certain doctrines that divide us from other Christians. 06:20 You'll notice on the pillars here, it says, 06:22 Christians, Adventists; Other, Christians. 06:25 We recognize that there are other Christians 06:29 in other churches. 06:30 I don't believe it's God's will for us to be so divided. 06:34 But the Lord doesn't want us to unite for the sake of unity. 06:40 He wants us to unite on the truth of His Word. 06:44 And so I think it's important. 06:46 And I am just wanting to put out there what I understand 06:50 the teachings are of the Adventists. 06:52 I've not always been an Adventist. 06:53 And so when I'm standing here, I will represent 06:56 Pastor Doug and what I believe now as a 06:58 Seventh-day Adventist minister. 06:59 Do you know that I'm also ordained as a non-Adventist, 07:03 before I was ordained as a Seventh-day Adventist? 07:06 It's true, I can show you my credentials. 07:09 And on this side, I will be representing 07:12 who we're calling... 07:13 What is his name? Pastor Barney. 07:15 This is Pastor Barney. 07:16 I'm just giving a couple of names so we don't 07:18 get the two confused. 07:19 And it's not a fair debate. 07:22 It's lopsided, I admit it. 07:23 But it just helps you get a couple of 07:26 different perspectives. 07:27 And this is not only for our friends that might be 07:30 watching or visiting here who are not 07:33 Seventh-day Adventist Christians. 07:34 I think this is also for Seventh-day Adventists 07:37 to better understand why we believe what we believe, 07:40 and what the common arguments are so we can study 07:43 these things for ourselves. 07:44 You know, there are some churches that teach 07:48 their members are not allowed to look at anything that is 07:51 presented or printed or produced by another denomination. 07:55 They have their members go through their experience with 07:57 blinders on because they're afraid that if their members 08:01 look at or study something another church has put out, 08:03 they might change. 08:05 In the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 08:07 we invite people to study. 08:10 I think that the truth should not be afraid to stand up 08:14 under investigation. 08:15 And that's just what we're doing now, is we're 08:17 talking about these truths. 08:19 Now, today we're going to be dealing with 08:22 the subject of the sanctuary. 08:25 And you really have three different examples of 08:27 the sanctuary, spiritually, in the Bible. 08:30 You have the sanctuary of the church, which we would call, 08:34 the body of Christ. 08:35 You know, John chapter 2 verses 19 through 21, 08:40 "Jesus answered and said, 'Destroy this temple, 08:44 and in three days I will raise it up.' 08:48 Then the Jews said, 'It has taken forty-six years to 08:50 build this temple, and You will raise it up in three days?' 08:54 But He was speaking of the temple of His body." 08:57 What is the church called? 08:59 The body of Christ. 09:00 And so we'll be talking about that. 09:02 You know, there's a prophecy in the Old Testament 09:04 I'd like to begin with and it's in Malachi chapter 3 verse 1. 09:09 Malachi 3 verse 1. 09:26 That's Jesus. 09:27 John the Baptist went to prepare the way before the Lord 09:31 who was to come suddenly to the temple. 09:33 "'...the Messenger of the covenant in whom you delight. 09:36 Behold, He will come,' says the Lord of hosts." 09:40 You know, Jesus did come to His temple. 09:43 Right near the end of His ministry, one of the 09:45 things that Jesus did was, He cleansed the sanctuary. 09:50 He cleansed the temple. 09:51 And you find that in Mark 11 verses 15 through 17. 09:55 Matter of fact, I know you agree with this, Pastor Barney. 09:57 I'm just going to let you start out and read this one here. 10:00 Mark 11:15-17 10:32 The Lord wants His temple to be pure. 10:36 He wants His temple to be clean. 10:38 He wants it to be a place of prayer. 10:40 He wants it to be His dwelling place. 10:44 Now that holds true of God's body, His people. 10:47 But the devil has brought in his wares. 10:50 There are doctrines of devils that have found their way 10:53 into the church. 10:54 That's what Paul said would happen. 10:56 God wants our bodies to be His dwelling place. 11:00 And ultimately, God wants the universe to be 11:04 clean of sin and sinners. 11:06 We're going to do our best to talk about all three of those 11:09 in 46.5 minutes. 11:13 Alright, let's deal with our first question 11:15 to introduce this. 11:16 Let's first talk about the church temple; 11:19 God's body on earth, the church. 11:21 First question: 11:28 Or the true church? 11:31 Pastor Barney is going to introduce this to begin with. 11:35 Pastor Doug, I think it's a little narrow if 11:37 Seventh-day Adventists are saying they are the true church. 11:41 Because obviously, the Lord has His people in 11:43 many different denominations. 11:44 I heard you say that yourself. 11:46 And then of course, it says in Ephesians chapter 2 11:49 verses 19 through 22, "Now, therefore, you are no longer 11:53 strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints 11:57 and members of the household of God, having been built 12:00 on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, 12:03 Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 12:07 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, 12:10 grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being 12:14 built together for a dwelling place for God in the Spirit." 12:19 It's like the breastplate of the high priest. 12:22 One priest, many different kinds of stones. 12:26 God has got many different kinds of denominations in His church. 12:30 And again, Jesus said in John 10 verse 16, 12:35 "Other sheep I have that are not of this fold." 12:39 Pastor Doug, while we're talking about it, you know, 12:41 because the Adventists think that they are the remnant church 12:44 or the true church, some of us ministers in other churches, 12:48 we think you do a little bit of sheep stealing. 12:52 We often lose our members and we find out that 12:55 now they're going to church on Saturday and they've 12:56 joined the Adventist church. 13:01 Well, Pastor Barney, I apologize for that; 13:04 for hurting your feelings. 13:06 We don't apologize for inviting people to join what we believe 13:10 is the remnant church. 13:12 We're not trying to be arrogant or exclusive 13:17 But we believe that in the Bible, God has a 13:21 peculiar people to whom He has committed 13:23 the oracles of truth. 13:25 Now would you agree that in the Old Testament times 13:28 that God had a people, a specific people? 13:32 Yes, He did have the children of Israel 13:34 and He did communicate the oracles of truth to them. 13:37 I would agree with that. 13:39 Now even though they were God's people, 13:43 were they His only people that He saved? 13:48 Well no, God had His people in other nations. 13:50 You've got Naaman who was healed of leprosy 13:53 and he said that he worshipped the Lord. 13:55 And the Ruth, the Moabitess. 13:56 And God has had His people, even Paul says in Romans chapter 1. 14:00 So I understand that. 14:02 But He's really only got one spiritual church 14:05 here in the world. 14:07 Well I agree with that, Pastor Barney. 14:09 I think He does have one church. 14:11 But you have to read the rest of that verse 14:13 you read a moment ago from John chapter 10. 14:17 Jesus said, "Other sheep I have that are not of this fold." 14:20 We agree, God has got the majority of His other sheep 14:23 not in the Adventist church. 14:25 But you've got to read the rest of that verse. 14:37 Jesus is calling people to come together. 14:42 So your interpretation of that is, the only way we're 14:44 going to be one is by being members of your church. 14:49 Yes. 14:51 And I expect that if I were to ask you, are you comfortable 14:56 with the teachings of your church and do you like it 14:58 when people join your church, you would say yes also. 15:01 And if you don't say yes, I would say, then you're 15:04 in the wrong church. 15:05 You've got to go where you feel comfortable inviting people. 15:09 If you feel like your doctrines are the most biblical doctrines, 15:13 then why not invite everybody to take a stand on that 15:15 foundation of truth. 15:17 If you don't feel like your doctrines are the most 15:19 biblical doctrines, then find out where they are and go there. 15:24 Right? 15:25 And so, yes we do believe that. 15:27 And it says in Revelation chapter 12 verse 17, 15:33 "The dragon was wroth with the woman 15:36 and he goes to make war with the remnant of her seed." 15:39 And two outstanding identifying characteristics; 15:43 they keep the commandments of God 15:45 and they have the testimony of Jesus. 15:48 Now we recognize Seventh-day Adventists 15:50 are not the only Christians out there. 15:52 There are many godly spiritual Christians. 15:56 We also know that not everybody that is on the books 15:59 in the Seventh-day Adventist Church is going to heaven. 16:03 Just as I'm sure that you would admit that not everybody who 16:06 might be a member of any other evangelical denomination 16:10 is automatically saved by an outward profession. 16:13 Man looks on the outside, God looks on the heart. 16:16 But it's not God's will that we are so divided. 16:19 Listen to the prayer of Jesus in John 17 verse 20. 16:22 This is the final prayer that He prayed before He went to the 16:26 Garden of Gethsemane for His church. 16:29 By the way, the longest prayer of Christ. 16:32 John 17:20 16:40 Right there, friends, you're reading a prayer that 16:42 Jesus prayed for you that reaches to today. 16:46 Are you hearing His word? 16:48 What is He praying? 16:49 "That they all may be one." 16:53 Not that just the Baptists might be one, and the Adventists 16:56 might be one, and the Assembly Of God might be one, 16:59 and the Nazarenes might be one, and the Methodists might be one, 17:02 and the Presbyterians might be one. 17:04 But they all might be one. 17:07 He wants there to be a unity. 17:09 "As you, Father, are in Me and I in You." 17:12 How does He want us to be one? 17:14 Just in word but not in doctrine? 17:16 Or to be one as the Father and the Son are one? 17:19 How are the Father and the Son one? 17:22 Did they believe the same thing? 17:24 Then God's people need to come together at least on the 17:27 major points of truth before Jesus comes. 17:30 He doesn't want these doctrines dividing us. 17:32 He wants us united in truth. 17:35 And He says, "And the glory which You gave Me I have 17:38 given them, that they may be one just as We are one." 17:43 Wow, that's heavy. 17:46 That's not only a message for Christians from 17:48 all different churches, that's also a message for just 17:50 the members of our church. 17:52 That means that all of us need to be one within the church. 17:57 "All men will know that you are My disciples 17:59 by your love for one another." 18:01 "That they may be perfect in one..." 18:04 You know, I think one way we become perfected in Christ 18:07 is, the truth sets you free. 18:09 We must preach the truth. 18:11 "...that the world might know that You have sent Me." 18:14 What is going to be the most powerful testimony to the world 18:17 in the last days when the beast power is urging its doctrine? 18:21 It's going to be the unity of faith among God's people. 18:25 And so, before the end comes, God is going to have a people 18:28 that will go all over the world preaching this message. 18:31 And a lot of people are going to be coming in taking a stand. 18:34 Revelation 18 verse 2 and verse 4. 18:38 Part of the three angels message. 18:48 Now I've just got to stop here for a moment, friends. 18:51 You realize God's people were in Babylon several times. 18:55 God's people were in Babylon back when Abraham was called 18:59 out of Babylon... 19:01 He was God's child. 19:02 ...to the Promised Land. 19:04 Then the children of Israel were carried off to Babylon 19:07 for 70 years during the time of Daniel. 19:10 And they got comfortable in Babylon. 19:11 And God had many of His people there. 19:14 I'm reading the books of Ezra and Nehemiah right now at home. 19:18 And it was really tough for them to leave the comforts of Babylon 19:21 and come back to the Promised Land 19:23 and to reinstitute their ancient faith. 19:27 But He called them back. 19:29 And now, Revelation tells us, in the last days, 19:33 God has His people in Babylon. 19:35 He says, "Come out of her My people." 19:38 Scattered throughout the realms of Christianity, 19:42 God is calling His people out of the teachings that have 19:45 been influenced by Babylon, out of their comfort zone, 19:49 to come back to the faith that was once 19:51 delivered to the saints; the truths of the apostles. 19:55 I see the Seventh-day Adventist Church as a revival, a return 19:59 to the truths that were given to the apostles, 20:03 getting back to the basics of the Bible. 20:04 And we've got a message to call people out of Babylon, 20:07 because there's an urgency there. 20:09 You read in verse 4, "Come out of her, My people, 20:13 lest you share in her sins and receive of her plagues." 20:18 There are people in Babylon. 20:19 God is going to save them, they are His people. 20:21 They don't know yet. They've not seen yet. 20:25 But a message is going to go out. 20:26 And if they stay in Babylon, they will be guilty for 20:29 the doctrines of devils, and the plagues will fall on them. 20:33 And this is a message that's very important, brother. 20:35 And that's why we feel some urgency about this. 20:40 Alright. 20:42 Now we're going to transition into the second segment 20:46 of God's temple. 20:55 We talked a little bit about God's church, 20:57 the temple on earth. 20:58 What about a temple in heaven? 21:01 Well Pastor Doug, I've studied it and I know that you 21:06 Seventh-day Adventists build a whole doctrine based upon 21:09 a priestly ministry of Jesus and there being a temple in heaven. 21:14 But I read right here in the Bible, the last book 21:16 of the Bible, second last chapter in the Bible, 21:20 Revelation 21 verses 21 and 22. 21:37 See, you talk a lot about this temple in heaven, but 21:40 it tells us here that it's just a spiritual term. 21:43 It's really God the Father and the Son, they are the temple. 21:48 Well, Pastor Barney, the reason that you see in Revelation 21, 21:53 it says there is no temple, is the purpose of the temple, 21:56 both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament, 22:00 sacrifices were offered, atonement was made for sin. 22:05 When you get to Revelation 21 and it's talking about heaven, 22:08 is there anyone interceding for sin? 22:12 Well no, not at that point there isn't. 22:15 And so that's why you don't see a temple anymore because 22:18 there's no blood being pled. 22:20 "There's no blood being pled," is that a correct sentence? 22:24 Yeah, it should be. 22:27 So write that into Webster or Wikipedia or something. 22:31 There's no intercession. 22:33 There's no blood that Jesus is pleading at that point 22:36 because redemption is over. 22:38 But if you back up in the book of Revelation, 22:40 chapter 11 verse 19, it says: 22:50 That's called, slam dunk. 22:52 It says right there, "The temple of God was opened in heaven, 22:56 and the ark of His covenant..." 22:58 By the way, when we make a big deal about 23:00 the seventh day Sabbath and the Ten Commandments, 23:03 one reason, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth have to pass away 23:07 before one jot passes from the law." 23:09 God's got an original transcript up there in heaven. 23:12 Because it says, the ark of God is in the 23:15 temple of God in heaven. 23:17 Whenever you make a covenant, you write a contract 23:20 with somebody, how many copies do you produce? 23:23 You've got one for their records and one for your records. 23:26 God at least has a facsimile or something, 23:29 because He's got the ark in the temple in heaven. 23:34 Now admittedly, things in the temple of heaven are 23:36 probably a little different. 23:38 The one that was on earth was a miniature 23:40 of the temple in heaven. 23:41 And we accept that. 23:43 But if you read on here, Hebrews 9 verse 11. 24:01 As opposed to what? 24:02 It's made by God's hands in another world. 24:08 He's not up there offering calves and goats and sheep. 24:20 Now that leads us to the next question in this subject. 24:25 Question three. 24:32 Pastor Doug, I'm not going to let you rush past something 24:34 you just read a minute ago. 24:36 You said that when Christ ascended to heaven, 24:38 "He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, 24:43 having obtained eternal redemption." 24:46 Then how come Adventists are always saying that Jesus is 24:50 ministering in the Holy Place? 24:53 Wait. Not yet. 24:56 I still have more to read. 24:58 Hebrews 1 verse 3. 25:17 Notice, when Jesus died on the cross, He ascended to heaven. 25:21 He sat down by the Father right there in the Holy Place. 25:25 Because that's where the Holy Place is, 25:26 it's the presence of God. 25:28 Let me give you one more before you interrupt me. 25:30 Hebrews 10 verse 11, "And every priest standeth daily..." 25:36 Notice, when the priests are doing their daily 25:38 administration through the year, they're standing. 25:41 But what is Jesus doing? 25:43 It says, "Every priest stands daily ministering and 25:45 offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, 25:48 which never can take away sin. 25:50 But this man," speaking of Christ, "after He had offered 25:54 one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down 25:58 at the right hand of God." 25:59 Jesus is done sacrificing. 26:02 You Adventists make it sound like you don't 26:04 believe in the finished... 26:05 You can't cross the line yet, I'm not done talking. 26:06 You make it sound like you don't believe in the 26:08 finished work of Jesus. 26:10 It says, He has sat down by the Father. 26:13 One sacrifice, it's completed. 26:15 What is this stuff about the daily sacrifice that 26:17 He's had to make? 26:19 And then the day of atonement, the yearly sacrifice He's made? 26:24 Alright Pastor Barney, you know, that is a very 26:26 controversial point. 26:28 And I think that we ought to address it. 26:30 If you read in Hebrews chapter 7 verse 25, it says: 26:49 So right there we've read that, yes, it does tell us that 26:53 Christ sat down and was enthroned after He ascended. 26:57 But after that being coronated there in the temple of heaven, 27:01 He is still out intercessor. 27:04 He is ever pleading for us. 27:06 We pray, and through Christ we have His merits to plead. 27:11 It is true, He doesn't continue to sacrifice Himself. 27:16 His blood was adequate that He can continue 27:19 pleading His blood all through the time from His death 27:24 until His second coming. 27:25 He doesn't need to keep sacrificing lambs or keep 27:27 sacrificing Himself. 27:29 But He continued for the first 1900 years of church history 27:34 interceding as a priest would on the daily basis. 27:38 But when we entered the last age of the church, 27:42 call the church of... What? 27:44 ...Laodicea. 27:45 You know what Laodicea means? 27:47 A people being judged, or a just people. 27:51 A people being justified. 27:53 We entered the last phase of church history. 27:58 Christ, at that point, entered into the last phase 28:02 of the day of atonement, or what they celebrated on earth 28:05 during Yom Kippur, of cleansing the sanctuary. 28:10 Pastor Doug, you're trying to tell me that there is 28:13 something in heaven that needs cleansing? 28:15 That doesn't make any sense to me. 28:16 That makes it sound like there's something dirty in heaven. 28:19 How can there ever be anything dirty in heaven? 28:24 Well, Pastor Barney, are there things dirty here on earth? 28:30 Yes. 28:33 Where did they come from? 28:37 They came from the devil. 28:40 And where did he start out? 28:45 In heaven. 28:47 But he was cast out of heaven. 28:50 So you're telling me that at least at one point 28:52 there was something impure in heaven. 28:56 Well yeah, if you look at it that way. 28:58 But I don't want to look at it that way. 29:01 And so, the idea that the sins of God's people that Christ 29:06 is bearing, that they must be ultimately cleansed somehow 29:10 from the universe, not just from God's dwelling place. 29:14 It's not inconsistent with what happened when there was 29:16 a rebellion in heaven. 29:17 The rebellion, by the way, is not over. 29:19 There is still sin in the universe. 29:21 Christ is dealing with that. 29:23 So let me go one here and talk about that. 29:26 Matter of fact, I better take my position here and 29:28 read the next question. 29:31 So what then is the cleansing of the sanctuary? 29:35 Pastor Doug, you can start this one off. 29:38 You have to go in the Bible to the book of Daniel chapter 8. 29:42 Bear with me for a moment. 29:43 This gets a little deep, but I'm sure that you can all 29:46 take this in. 29:48 This is one of the longest time prophecies in the Bible. 29:51 Daniel 8 and I'm going to start with verse 11. 30:12 Speaking of the beast power. 30:14 And I know we both agree that this is talking 30:16 about that beast power. 30:21 Now what does the beast power do? 30:23 What does he cast down to the ground? 30:25 The truth is cast down. 30:28 Before Jesus comes back, there must be a restoration of truth. 30:33 "...and he did all this and he prospered." 30:59 Now, there's only one starting period for prophecy that's given 31:03 in the book of Daniel. 31:05 And that's, "From the going forth of the commandment 31:07 to restore and build Jerusalem." 31:09 That is very clearly given in the book of Ezra chapter 7. 31:13 It is 457 BC. 31:15 If you count 2300 days from 457 BC, that comes to 1844. 31:24 In 1844, God entered His final stage in the salvation of man. 31:29 Through history, He has done things in different stages. 31:32 He had the age of the Patriarchs. 31:34 He had the age of Israel. 31:36 There was the great Reformation. 31:38 There was the great awakening and the great revival 31:41 during the age of the church of Philadelphia. 31:43 In 1844, we entered the age of the church of Laodicea. 31:49 Now Pastor Doug, you're trying to tell me then in 1844 31:53 that Jesus went from what a priest might do on 31:56 the daily basis of interceding and now He's gone to do 32:01 what a priest did on the final day of atonement. 32:04 How are you going to prove that? You got any video tape? 32:06 And why would God give us a prophecy about Jesus going from 32:10 one aspect of His heavenly ministry... 32:12 We can't comprehend these things. 32:14 ...to going into the final aspect. 32:16 What difference would that make to us here on earth? 32:21 That, I think, is a very important part of the prophecy 32:25 that even Seventh-day Adventists have missed. 32:28 And I think that we've got in a lot of confusion and trouble 32:32 because of that. 32:34 Follow me very closely. 32:37 When Jesus died on the cross, right after He rose 32:42 from the tomb, He had not yet ascended to the Father 32:46 when He first revealed Himself to Mary. 32:49 She went to grab Him by the feet and to worship Him. 32:51 He said, "Do not detain Me." 32:55 The King James says, "Do not cling to Me," 32:56 or "Do not touch Me." 32:58 The others say, "Do not cling to Me." 32:59 "For I have not yet ascended to My Father." 33:03 Something had to happen when Christ ascended to the Father. 33:08 When Jesus ascended to heaven, He did in the heavenly sanctuary 33:12 what Moses did in the Old Testament 33:15 to the earthly sanctuary. 33:17 How many times a year did the high priest go into the 33:21 Holy of Holies in the sanctuary? 33:25 Once. 33:26 With one exception. 33:29 If you don't know that exception, you get into trouble. 33:32 When they first built the sanctuary and it was activated. 33:39 Moses went in and he sprinkled all of the furniture with blood. 33:45 He activated it and then they began to serve there 33:49 and began to utilize it on a daily basis. 33:53 Paul alludes to that here in the book of Hebrews. 33:57 It tells us in... 34:03 Let's see here. 34:10 Oh, maybe I've got to go to my next page. 34:12 I am sorry, friends. 34:16 In Hebrews, he says that Moses, when he consecrated everything, 34:19 he went into the sanctuary and he sprinkled it, 34:23 and the people, and the priests with blood. 34:25 You'll find that also in Exodus 29. 34:28 That's the example of that. 34:30 He consecrated the sanctuary, then they began to use it. 34:34 When Jesus ascended to heaven, He consecrated the heavenly 34:39 sanctuary, and then He came back down to earth. 34:42 And you know what He said to the disciples? 34:44 "All hail." 34:45 When He consecrated the heavenly sanctuary, 34:48 Jesus went into the Holy of Holies. 34:51 He went into the presence of the Father. 34:53 The angels sang. 34:55 He was seated, He was crowned as victorious at the point. 34:59 Then He said... 35:00 Now we don't know, time in heaven is maybe different 35:03 from time on earth. 35:04 Then He said, "I now need to go back down." 35:06 He went down to the disciples and He said, "All hail." 35:09 They worshipped Him. 35:10 Then for 40 days, He continued to meet with them, 35:13 to re-enforce them in the Word. 35:15 Then He ascended to heaven. 35:16 And the Bible tells us that He ascended to continue His work 35:20 as our High Priest. 35:22 It tells us in the Bible. 35:24 Here it is, Hebrews 9:21. 35:26 That's the verse I was looking for. 35:35 This was not Aaron. 35:37 This was Moses who went in to activate the earthly temple. 35:41 From that point on, the only time someone went into the 35:43 Holy of Holies was on the day of atonement. 35:46 From the time that Christ ascended and was enthroned 35:49 and the heavenly sanctuary was activated... 35:51 By the way, there was a temple in heaven. 35:53 Right? 35:54 We just read that. 35:56 What blood was being pled in the temple of heaven 35:59 before Christ died? 36:02 Well He hadn't died yet. None. 36:03 So it wasn't until Jesus died that He was pleading His blood. 36:08 He ascended to heaven, went before the Father 36:10 in the Holy of Holies. 36:12 He sat down at the Father's right hand. 36:14 He was enthroned. 36:15 All these parables talk about Him receiving a kingdom. 36:17 He received the victory at that point. 36:20 But the war was not over. 36:22 He had to come back down to earth and to 36:25 encourage His disciples. 36:27 And so, then something else happened on earth in 1844. 36:33 And I'll get to that. 36:34 Hebrews 4:14-16, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest 36:40 who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, 36:44 let us hold fast our confession. 36:46 For we don't have a High Priest who cannot sympathize 36:49 with our weaknesses, but was in all points 36:52 tempted as we are..." 36:54 Jesus was tempted the way we're tempted. 36:56 And He got the victory the way we can get the victory. 36:58 Amen? 36:59 "...all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 37:02 Therefore, let us come boldly to the throne of grace, 37:05 that we may obtain mercy and find grace to 37:08 help in the time of need." 37:11 Pastor Doug, I asked you a question a minute ago 37:13 and you didn't answer it. 37:14 What difference would this 2300 days and 1844 make on earth? 37:20 What happened in 1844 here on earth? 37:23 Well this is the part, I think, many people have missed. 37:28 We have no video tape of Jesus moving from one transition 37:33 of work into the other, from the daily ministration 37:37 to the day of atonement ministration. 37:39 But we do have an example on earth in 1844 of 37:42 what happened to His temple on earth. 37:44 God has a temple in heaven. He still has a temple on earth. 37:47 Where is His temple on earth? 37:49 It's not this building. 37:51 It's you and me. 37:53 It's the body of Christ, and you also individually. 37:56 He wants to dwell in His people on earth. 37:58 But what was the beast power going to do? 38:01 Cast the truth to the ground. 38:04 In 1844, God began a movement on earth. 38:09 They were organized in 1863. 38:12 And they were called, the Seventh-day Adventists. 38:15 And in 1844, they discovered the truth about the Sabbath. 38:21 Joseph Bates got it from actually a Seventh-day Baptist. 38:24 They discovered the truth about the health message. 38:27 They discovered the truth about the dead are asleep 38:29 until the resurrection. 38:30 We'll talk about that in another presentation. 38:32 They discovered, of course, baptism by emersion. 38:35 Some of them didn't know that. 38:36 Salvation by faith. 38:38 All the fundamentals of the apostles 38:40 they discovered in that year. 38:42 God began to cleanse His sanctuary on earth 38:45 from the truths that had been cast to the ground. 38:47 They were restored to their place of respect. 38:51 You could point right now to 17 million Seventh-day Adventists 38:54 all over the world and say, "What happened in 1844?" 38:57 He began to cleanse His sanctuary; 38:59 yes in heaven, and yes on earth. 39:02 And I can't show you video of what happened in heaven, 39:04 but I can show you video of what happened on earth. 39:07 And you can look at it right now, friends. 39:09 It's the final movement. 39:11 God has given the Seventh-day Adventist movement 39:15 the oracles of truth. 39:17 As surely as He gave the children of Israel the 39:20 scriptures through Moses, He gave them to us. 39:23 And He's calling people everywhere into that movement. 39:29 Oh, I already read that. Let me move on here. 39:31 Alright, now we've got to get to... 39:33 Let me find my place. 39:37 Poor light guys are up there trying to follow me. 39:41 The third temple. 39:43 You just heard the shortest presentation on the cleansing 39:45 of the sanctuary you're ever going to hear. 39:49 Question number five. 39:56 Pastor Doug, you can start out this time. 39:59 I know it seems like I'm giving myself a little too much time. 40:05 But you realize, even when I'm over here 40:06 I'm giving myself time. 40:10 1 Corinthians 6:19 40:27 We're talking right now about God dwelling in the temple, 40:31 Jesus cleansing the temples. 40:33 He wants to cleanse His church. 40:35 He's cleansing the sanctuary in heaven. 40:37 And He wants you as an individual, your body, 40:40 to be a dwelling place for His Spirit. 40:43 And there's something to be said, not only should we be 40:45 cleansed from sin, some of us are struggling so much 40:49 with sin because we've got to learn to get the victory 40:52 in our body temples with our appetites. 40:56 One of the greatest insults you could ever perform 40:59 for a Jew is if you had brought an unclean animal 41:03 into the temple to offer it on the altar. 41:05 Well, we shouldn't be bringing unclean animals into our bodies. 41:11 Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. 41:13 What do you think, Pastor Barney? 41:16 I do think our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. 41:19 But I don't think we need to make an issue about what we eat. 41:22 It's just what's going on in your mind. 41:24 It's not what goes in your mouth or what comes out of your mouth 41:27 that makes any difference. 41:28 Romans 14 verse 17. 41:30 We're friends, but you Seventh-day Adventists 41:34 put too much emphasis on what we eat and what we drink. 41:44 And then you've got 1 Timothy 4:4. 41:47 And this is really clear. 41:49 "Every creature of God is good. 41:52 Nothing is to be refused." 41:57 So you're trying to tell me, Pastor Barney, 41:58 that no matter what anybody has put in front of you 42:02 over the course of your life you've never 42:03 refused to eat anything? 42:08 Well, I don't like vegetables very much. 42:13 So, would you agree that taking this verse that says, 42:17 "nothing is to be refused," to the extreme 42:19 could go a little far? 42:21 I mean, if I right now made you a sandwich 42:24 with maggots and buzzard meat and a little skunk seasoning, 42:30 and say, "You just pray and ask God to bless that," 42:33 because nothing should be refused, would you eat it? 42:38 Well, it wouldn't be very appetizing, but theoretically, 42:41 I could eat it. 42:45 Well, I'd like to see you act out that theory. 42:48 I think that would be pretty hard to choke that down. 42:50 You've got to read everything it says regarding these verses. 42:55 If you read the rest of Timothy where it talks about every 43:00 creature of God being good, read chapter 4 verse 3 through 5. 43:05 It says that this power would forbid to marry. 43:09 It's not talking about the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 43:11 There is another church that forbids its priests to marry. 43:20 So the context of this; some things are created, 43:23 and God has identified in His Word which things those are 43:26 that are clean that can be received with thanksgiving. 43:28 There's one church that says on certain days of the week 43:30 you're only suppose to eat fish. 43:35 And then he says, "For every Creature of God is good, 43:37 and nothing is to be refused if it is received 43:40 with thanksgiving..." 43:41 Notice, Paul, to avoid anybody being confused, he says, 43:45 "...for it is sanctified by the Word of God." 43:49 In other words, there are things that are sanctified by 43:52 the Word and prayer. 43:54 You can't just pray over pork and it suddenly becomes healthy. 43:59 And I should ask you, do you really think that 44:02 the stomach of a Jew and the digestional system of a Jew 44:06 is different from Gentile Christians? 44:11 Well, there are actually some diseases that Jews are 44:14 prone to more than other people. 44:17 But, no, I suppose unless they've got the star shape 44:21 in their stomach, that it's like everybody else's stomach. 44:24 And they would be affected the same way. 44:27 But they were a spiritual people that were suppose 44:29 to be spiritually clean. 44:30 And that was the reason for those laws. 44:34 So where do the first health laws appear in the Bible? 44:39 Well, God gave them to Moses and it's there in 44:42 the book of Leviticus. 44:44 I need to correct you. 44:46 The first time God makes a distinction between 44:49 clean and unclean foods is to Noah. 44:52 And everybody is related to Noah. 44:55 The laws regarding clean and unclean foods, 44:58 these health laws, they didn't begin with the Jews. 45:00 They go all the way back to the Garden of Eden. 45:03 And you know, while we're talking about 45:04 the subject, Pastor. 45:07 You think we're not suppose to obey any of the 45:09 dietary or health laws? 45:12 It's not what goes in your mouth that affects you. 45:15 It's what comes out of your mouth. 45:18 Well, the Bible says you're not suppose to eat blood either, 45:21 in the New Testament. 45:23 A special law for the Gentiles. 45:25 You can read here in Acts chapter 15 and verse 19, 45:30 "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those 45:34 who from among the Gentiles are turning to God, 45:36 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted 45:40 by idols, from sexual immorality, 45:43 from things strangled, and from blood." 45:45 Why does he say from things strangled and from blood? 45:48 Because they would butcher the animals back then 45:51 so the blood was still in them. 45:53 And it is forbidden in the Bible, all the way back to Noah 45:57 in Genesis all the way through the New Testament, 46:00 no believer is ever suppose to eat blood. 46:04 But the fact is, and take it from someone who use to 46:06 have his own meat business, the average American meat 46:10 that's sold in the market is killed with the blood 46:12 still in the body. 46:14 It is not butchered in a kosher way. 46:17 And so, the Bible says that there are still health laws 46:21 even in the New Testament. 46:22 And they expected that the Christians, not only to not eat 46:26 the unclean animals, they said, "Don't eat the clean animals 46:29 killed in an unclean way the way the Romans and 46:31 the Greeks were doing it. 46:33 The Romans and the Greeks were butchering 46:35 their chickens and their goats and their lambs, 46:37 which are technically clean, still with the blood 46:40 or strangling them. 46:41 Because they liked the uric acid flavor in the blood. 46:45 And the Bible says that is forbidden. 46:46 That is a health law, a New Testament re-enforcement 46:50 of the health law. 46:52 Well, Pastor Doug, there are some other verses here 46:54 that I can give you to help straighten you out. 46:59 In Acts chapter 10, doesn't God declare that 47:03 all animals are cleansed? 47:07 Now I know you've read this, brother Doug. 47:08 This is that vision that Peter had in Acts chapter 10. 47:12 He was hungry and he was praying on his roof. 47:17 And as he could smell them preparing the food down stairs, 47:21 all he could smell was the kosher food. 47:24 And God told him it was okay to crave the unkosher food, 47:27 because he gave him a vision. 47:29 It says, "He saw heaven opened..." Acts 10:11. 48:03 Pastor Doug? 48:06 Well, Pastor Barney, I think you need to read the whole 48:10 context again and find out what he was talking about. 48:14 First of all, I think it's very interesting to note 48:17 that in Acts chapter 10, which takes place about 48:21 37 AD or maybe 36 AD, years after Jesus ascended to heaven, 48:27 Peter has still declared, "I have never eaten 48:31 anything unclean." 48:34 And then you need to ask, does the vision say that 48:37 he ever took anything out of the sheet and ate it? 48:40 Well, not specifically. 48:43 Does the vision ever mention any specific food, 48:46 like pork or shrimp or crab or camel? 48:51 Well, it says it was full of all kinds of four-footed beasts. 48:55 Well what happens if you keep reading the story? 48:58 Where does Peter go? 49:01 It tells us that Peter then, while he's praying and after 49:05 he has his vision, and he's wondering within himself 49:08 what the vision should mean, suddenly some people 49:12 show up at his door and they invite him to go and 49:15 to preach the gospel to a house full of Gentiles. 49:19 A Roman with a house full of slaves that are not Jews. 49:22 And they were not suppose to do that. 49:26 Peter says in Acts 10 verse 28. 49:45 That's an interesting way of spelling pig; m-a-n. 49:49 He didn't say "God has shown me not to call any pig unclean." 49:52 He says "God showed me not to call any man common or unclean." 49:56 Because the Bible tells us that there are clean and unclean 50:00 animals, and it's still true today. 50:02 Jesus dying on the cross did not make pork chops healthy. 50:06 God says, "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked. 50:09 Whatever you sow, you will also reap." 50:12 Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. 50:15 And it does matter what we take into our bodies. 50:19 Again, you can read in Acts 11 verse 18. 50:24 When the disciples heard Peter relate this whole experience 50:27 about Cornelius and the vision, "When they heard these things 50:31 they held their peace and they glorified God, saying, 50:34 'Praise the Lord, we can eat anything at a potluck now.'" 50:37 No, that's not what that verse says. 50:39 It says, "They glorified God saying, 'Then God also has 50:43 given the Gentiles repentance unto life.'" 50:46 The whole purpose of that vision, it was an allegory 50:50 to illustrate something. 50:51 God doesn't believe that we can just eat anything 50:55 and pray over it. 50:56 That's really tempting the Lord. 50:57 There is no parent here that would accept that argument 51:01 from your children. 51:03 If they said, "I don't want to eat my broccoli tonight, 51:06 I just want dessert for dinner. 51:07 But don't worry, mom and dad. 51:09 I promise to pray over it and God will bless it. 51:12 Because it's not what goes in your mouth, 51:14 but it's what comes out." 51:17 Would you accept that, Pastor Barney? 51:20 I think you're making things more difficult. 51:22 You're twisting my words now. 51:25 Of course a parent wouldn't do that. 51:27 But you also shouldn't make everything about 51:29 eating and drinking. 51:30 It's just, pray and try to use good judgment. 51:34 Well, you know, the fact is that it's pretty well proven now 51:38 that those who eat a vegetarian diet have a lot less 51:42 heart disease and a lot less cancer and diabetes 51:47 and problems of other people. 51:49 Seventh-day Adventist Christians, you know, 51:51 have made it to the cover of the National Geographic magazine. 51:54 They talked about three of the longest living people. 51:58 Two of the people, Sardinia and Japan, 52:02 it had a lot to do with their environment. 52:05 But they found one enigma. 52:06 It was the Seventh-day Adventists people they studied 52:09 in southern California. 52:10 They said it was their diet and their lifestyle that 52:13 made them some of the longest living people in the world. 52:17 And so, I think there's real benefit in following 52:22 the health diet. 52:25 Pastor Doug, doesn't Jesus state that it's not what 52:30 goes in one's mouth that defiles us? 52:33 It's what comes out. 52:35 Let me read this to you. 52:37 And I'm going to read from the NIV version. 52:42 By the way, Mark 7 verses 18 and 19. 53:04 How can you get around that? 53:07 Well, that is a very unfortunate translation. 53:11 And it has caused a lot of people to stumble. 53:13 Because those words are not in the original Greek. 53:18 Matter of fact, if you look in the King James Version 53:20 and in the New King James Version, 53:22 it doesn't say that at all. 53:24 And some people have taken this footnote that they 53:26 found in the Vaticanus, or one of those manuscripts, 53:29 and they've added the scribes interpretation of the footnote 53:33 saying that Jesus had declared all foods clean. 53:35 But the interesting thing is, even after this statement 53:38 Peter and none of the apostles made any comment on it. 53:41 Or did they ever argue about it in the New Testament? 53:43 Or do you ever see any of them eating any unclean food? 53:46 And by the way, Jesus didn't mean it that way. 53:50 They're not talking about what to eat. 53:53 They're arguing about whether or not you should ceremonially 53:56 wash your hands before you eat. 53:58 That was the discussion in this verse. 54:00 And that's in Matthew chapter 15 verse 2. 54:03 "Why do your disciples," the Jews accused them, 54:06 "transgress the tradition of the elders? 54:09 For they don't wash their hands when they eat bread." 54:12 And Jesus was simply saying, "This isn't what defiles a man." 54:17 If it was eating with dirty hands that would defile us, 54:20 spiritually, all of our kids would be defiled. 54:25 Because it's amazing how many pounds of dirt 54:28 a kid eats before they get to adulthood. 54:31 And they somehow survive. 54:33 Jesus is saying, those things that go in your mouth, 54:35 if you get a little bacteria and a little garden soil 54:38 in your mouth, it goes through. 54:39 It's just processed and purged in the digestive system 54:43 and it's eliminated. 54:44 That's what he's saying. 54:46 There's a purging that happens in our digestive systems. 54:48 It doesn't mean that you can eat high cholesterol, 54:51 high sugar food, and you're not going to reap the 54:53 consequences of that. 54:55 It does make a difference what we eat and what we drink. 55:01 Is there anything wrong with Christians 55:03 drinking a little alcohol? 55:06 Pastor Doug, you know you folks, you're really missing out. 55:10 I know Seventh-day Adventists, as well as some denominations, 55:13 are teetotalers. 55:14 But Jesus turned the water to wine. 55:16 He knew how to celebrate a little bit and have a good time. 55:20 John 2 verse 10. 55:35 Well Pastor Barney, you're assuming that when Jesus 55:37 talks about the good stuff, He's talking about the hard liquor. 55:40 I respectfully disagree. 55:42 You could get hard liquor in Israel all year long. 55:45 They had fermented wine. 55:47 By the way, the word for "wine" here, "oinos", is used both for 55:50 grape juice, pure grape juice, as well as 55:53 the fermented variety. 55:56 Jesus produced pure grape juice at this wedding when 56:00 everyone else was expecting the reconstituted stuff 56:03 or the fermented stuff. 56:04 And they were amazed that He was able to do it. 56:07 And there's also a spiritual lesson here. 56:10 He said, "You've saved the best for last." 56:13 You know, God created the world 6000 years ago 56:17 But He waited 4000 years. 56:19 And after all of the goats and all of the lambs, 56:22 finally God, last of all, gave the blood of His own Son. 56:27 It was not the blood... 56:28 Wine is a symbol of that, grape juice is a symbol of that. 56:31 It wasn't the blood of the goats, it wasn't the blood of 56:33 the lambs and the bulls and the pigeons that was 56:36 going to wash away sin. 56:38 It was the blood of His own Son. 56:40 And He saved the best for last. 56:42 So to take this miracle and turn it into an excuse for 56:45 for people getting drunk. 56:47 To think that Jesus filled these six containers with over 56:51 60 gallons of booze to pep up the party. 56:55 To think that Christ would contradict His own word where 56:58 He says in Proverbs 20, "Wine is a mocker, 57:01 strong drink is raging. 57:02 Whoever is deceived by that is not wise." 57:06 When you think of all the misery that comes into our society 57:09 from alcohol, that Jesus would condone that. 57:13 Christ, at the last supper before He ascended to heaven, 57:16 He gave them grape juice. 57:18 Because He said to them, and I'll read this to you. 57:20 Matthew 26:29, "Drink ye, all, of it. 57:24 For I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on 57:28 until the day I drink it with you new..." 57:31 New, unfermented. 57:33 "...in My Father's kingdom." 57:37 Finally, Ephesians 5:18. 57:39 The Bible says, "Do not be drunk with wine, 57:42 in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit." 57:47 What kind of spirit does God want us to be filled with? 57:50 The Holy Spirit in our lives, friends. 57:54 He wants to cleanse His sanctuary. 57:56 He is, right now, completing His work 57:59 of that heavenly cleansing. 58:01 And someday soon, Michael is going to stand up 58:04 and say, "It is finished." 58:05 And Jesus is going to come. 58:07 That judgment is going to be over and there's going to be 58:09 a great time of trouble. 58:12 He's going through the records of those who 58:13 claim to be His children. 58:15 God is calling His people out of Babylon. 58:18 I want to have my vessel purified. 58:21 Don't you? 58:22 I want to be filled with His Spirit. 58:25 While the world is drunk on the wine of Babylon, 58:27 God is calling His children from their hangover 58:32 and He's saying, "Come out of Babylon. 58:34 The plagues are soon going to fall. 58:36 My people." 58:37 God has His people in many different churches. 58:39 And before Jesus comes back, He wants one body. 58:43 He wants us to be one people. 58:45 He is going to have one flock, one fold, one shepherd. 58:49 When the flood of Noah came, there was one door to the ark. 58:53 Friends, we want you to be in that ark. 58:56 We pray that you will study more on these things 58:58 that you're learning. 58:59 Go to bibleuniverse.com |
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